From GarrettR1 at michigan.gov Fri Jun 1 16:15:43 2007 From: GarrettR1 at michigan.gov (Robert Garrett) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:15:43 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Archives of MI Image for June Message-ID: It's a new month, and we have a new image! This time, we spotlight the Supremes. Our intern, Nicole Garrett, wrote the text. The topic was her idea, too. It seemed timely, since the movie DREAMGIRLS is now on dvd. Anyway, you can see the page here: http://www.michigan.gov/hal/0,1607,7-160-17445_19273_19313-169543--,00.html Added note: we now have a marketing url for our online digital image bank. You can browse Archives of Michigan Digital Collections at http://www.archivesofmichigan.org Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. From MelindaMcMartin at ferris.edu Mon Jun 18 10:54:27 2007 From: MelindaMcMartin at ferris.edu (MelindaMcMartin at ferris.edu) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:54:27 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] tile flooring in archives Message-ID: I received a request from a fellow archivist, who has had the maintenance men appear in the archives and begin to measure the floor. They've decided to replace it with a new tile floor. Does anyone have any experience with tile flooring in archives, and any suggestions on what to look for, or what to avoid? Thanks. Melinda McMartin _______________________________ Melinda McMartin University Archivist/ Special Collections Librarian FLITE 358, Ferris State University 1010 Campus Drive Big Rapids, MI 49307 (231) 591-3731 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.dhal.org/pipermail/maa-l/attachments/20070618/6a408cd2/attachment.html From GarrettR1 at michigan.gov Mon Jun 18 14:30:21 2007 From: GarrettR1 at michigan.gov (Robert Garrett) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:30:21 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] George Romney Message-ID: I was asked to post the following. - Bob ***************************** Do anyone know why George Romney could run for president of the United States in 1968 even though he was born in Mexico. Doesn't Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution require that the American president be native born? Confused among the tulips. Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. From boles1fj at cmich.edu Mon Jun 18 17:04:42 2007 From: boles1fj at cmich.edu (Boles, Frank J.) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:04:42 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] George Romney In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually the issue did come up in the 1968 campaign with Romney proponents noting that although he was born in Mexico his parents had U.S. citizenship, which was the same thing in their mind as being "native born." That explanation didn't satisfy some people, and there was some talk of maybe the Supreme Court would have to sort it out if Romney actually became the Republican nominee. However, Romney's campaign failed pretty early on, so the issue just went away. Frank Boles -----Original Message----- From: maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org [mailto:maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of Robert Garrett Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:30 PM To: maa-l at lists.dhal.org Subject: [Maa-l] George Romney I was asked to post the following. - Bob ***************************** Do anyone know why George Romney could run for president of the United States in 1968 even though he was born in Mexico. Doesn't Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution require that the American president be native born? Confused among the tulips. Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From garrettr1 at michigan.gov Sat Jun 23 20:06:04 2007 From: garrettr1 at michigan.gov (Robert Garrett) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:06:04 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Al Capone and Oral History Message-ID: As some of you know, I've been delving into Lansing history lately. Recently, I heard that Al Capone had been in the Lansing area. I searched and couldn't find any information on it. Now, I know more - and I owe it to Matt Daley and a helpful Barnes and Noble saleslady. Matt referred me to Laurence Bergreen's book CAPONE. Said book may have long eluded me, though, if Helpful Barnes and Noble Saleslady hadn't lead me away from the Biography section and into "True Crime." So, my thanks to both. (Of course, Helpful Barnes and Noble Saleslady isn't actually reading this, but maybe she's here in spirit.) Matt was right: Chapter Four has quite a bit on Capone in Lansing during the summer of 1926. (It seems that Capone largely stayed out of Lansing proper - too many government officials. He apparently spent a lot of time at Round Lake, however.) Matt did warn me, though, that Bergreen's book "wasn't particularly well sourced" and well...he was right about that, too. What's Mr. Bergreen's source on Capone's mid-Michigan activities? Oral history interviews. That's well and good, except....they are apparently interviews that he personally conducted and that aren't available to anyone else. What's more - Mr. Bergreen changed the name of at least one interviewees to protect his source! Well, hey - we are dealing with organized crime. I can understand why some of these people might be reluctant to talk. It suggests another issue to me, though: At what point we stray from history and into acocrypha? If we have information but no way of verifying it, then how to we regard such information? On the other hand, Bergreen's account - acocryphal or not - may well be the only real source of information that we have in this case! So, what do you think - is it history or b.s.? (As an aside, I'll note that it does suggest to me the importance of not only recording oral histories but also ensuring that they remain available. I feel good about doing some for the Archives of Michigan.) (Oh...and thanks again, Matt!) Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. From garrettr1 at michigan.gov Sat Jun 23 20:37:34 2007 From: garrettr1 at michigan.gov (Robert Garrett) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:37:34 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] MAA Meeting - Keynote Address Message-ID: This was a great annual meeting! Kudos to the Program Committee, Local Arrangements Committee and all concerned. I'll have to say, too, that the dedication of our keynote speaker is nothing short of amazing. Dr. Anna-Lisa Cox agreed to speak on her book, A STRONGER KINSHIP (The book details the history of Covert, Michigan, a Post-Civil War racially integrated community.). She got on a flight at JFK - and then promptly got stuck on the runway for four hours! Apparently, young children were getting sick, and the airline wouldn't let anyone deplane. Finally, after four long hours, someone feared that one of those sick children who was vomiting heavily just might be in danger of dehydration. A passenger called 9-1-1! If not for that, the airline apparently still wouldn't have let anyone off the plane (It's Delta Airlines, if anyone's wondering.). Dr. Cox's flight was thus cancelled. She didn't let that dissuade her, though. She immediately rented an SUV and drove from JFK Airport in New York City all the way to Ann Arbor, Michigan! Needless to say, she didn't sleep much. She made it, though! She came right in, sat down and got only a few bites and stood up and spoke. Unbelievable. I might add that she's a good speaker, too. She talked about her research on Covert, but she also sung the praises of archivists. She clearly does appreciate what we do, and that's nice. Naturally, we also appreciated her determined efforts to deliver her speech. As listserv moderator, I officially give her a "cyber salute!" Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. From aa6699 at wayne.edu Sat Jun 23 22:25:24 2007 From: aa6699 at wayne.edu (Sandy Eklund) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:25:24 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] MAA Meeting - Keynote Address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8162C205-EB0C-4912-911B-81E4EC7B75CA@wayne.edu> Did anyone ever hear what the problem was with the flight? Did she got right back Friday or did she spend the night? I wish we could do something for her, but not sure what. Sending flowers and candy doesn't seme like enough. Sandy On Jun 23, 2007, at 8:37 PM, Robert Garrett wrote: > This was a great annual meeting! Kudos to the Program Committee, > Local > Arrangements Committee and all concerned. > > I'll have to say, too, that the dedication of our keynote speaker is > nothing short of amazing. Dr. Anna-Lisa Cox agreed to speak on her > book, A STRONGER KINSHIP (The book details the history of Covert, > Michigan, a Post-Civil War racially integrated community.). She > got on > a flight at JFK - and then promptly got stuck on the runway for four > hours! Apparently, young children were getting sick, and the airline > wouldn't let anyone deplane. Finally, after four long hours, someone > feared that one of those sick children who was vomiting heavily just > might be in danger of dehydration. A passenger called 9-1-1! If not > for that, the airline apparently still wouldn't have let anyone off > the > plane (It's Delta Airlines, if anyone's wondering.). > > Dr. Cox's flight was thus cancelled. She didn't let that dissuade > her, > though. She immediately rented an SUV and drove from JFK Airport > in New > York City all the way to Ann Arbor, Michigan! Needless to say, she > didn't sleep much. She made it, though! She came right in, sat down > and got only a few bites and stood up and spoke. Unbelievable. > > I might add that she's a good speaker, too. She talked about her > research on Covert, but she also sung the praises of archivists. She > clearly does appreciate what we do, and that's nice. > > Naturally, we also appreciated her determined efforts to deliver her > speech. As listserv moderator, I officially give her a "cyber > salute!" > > > Bob Garrett > Archives of Michigan > Telephone: (517) 241-1382 > E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov > > Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac > Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your > copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From kljania at umich.edu Sun Jun 24 13:51:29 2007 From: kljania at umich.edu (Karen L. Jania) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 13:51:29 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] MAA Meeting - Keynote Address In-Reply-To: <8162C205-EB0C-4912-911B-81E4EC7B75CA@wayne.edu> References: <8162C205-EB0C-4912-911B-81E4EC7B75CA@wayne.edu> Message-ID: <467EAF21.6030105@umich.edu> The air conditioning was out in the plane. It never even left the gate and they sat there 4 hours as the temperature got up to around 100. There was a little boy that had the flu, throwing up the entire time. He finally became very dehydrated, his mom started crying as she was freaked out, so someone on board called 911 , much to the dismay of the Delta employees. An ambulance, emergency vehicles...... She was on her way to Oregon for a family reunion. I believe she was going to leave yesterday. K- Karen L. Jania, Reference Archivist Head, Access and Reference Services Bentley Historical Library, University of Michigan 1150 Beal Ave., Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2113 phone 734.764.3482 fax:734.936.1333 http://bentley.umich.edu email: kljania at umich.edu Sandy Eklund wrote: > Did anyone ever hear what the problem was with the flight? > > Did she got right back Friday or did she spend the night? > > I wish we could do something for her, but not sure what. Sending > flowers and candy doesn't seme like enough. > > Sandy > > > > On Jun 23, 2007, at 8:37 PM, Robert Garrett wrote: > > >> This was a great annual meeting! Kudos to the Program Committee, >> Local >> Arrangements Committee and all concerned. >> >> I'll have to say, too, that the dedication of our keynote speaker is >> nothing short of amazing. Dr. Anna-Lisa Cox agreed to speak on her >> book, A STRONGER KINSHIP (The book details the history of Covert, >> Michigan, a Post-Civil War racially integrated community.). She >> got on >> a flight at JFK - and then promptly got stuck on the runway for four >> hours! Apparently, young children were getting sick, and the airline >> wouldn't let anyone deplane. Finally, after four long hours, someone >> feared that one of those sick children who was vomiting heavily just >> might be in danger of dehydration. A passenger called 9-1-1! If not >> for that, the airline apparently still wouldn't have let anyone off >> the >> plane (It's Delta Airlines, if anyone's wondering.). >> >> Dr. Cox's flight was thus cancelled. She didn't let that dissuade >> her, >> though. She immediately rented an SUV and drove from JFK Airport >> in New >> York City all the way to Ann Arbor, Michigan! Needless to say, she >> didn't sleep much. She made it, though! She came right in, sat down >> and got only a few bites and stood up and spoke. Unbelievable. >> >> I might add that she's a good speaker, too. She talked about her >> research on Covert, but she also sung the praises of archivists. She >> clearly does appreciate what we do, and that's nice. >> >> Naturally, we also appreciated her determined efforts to deliver her >> speech. As listserv moderator, I officially give her a "cyber >> salute!" >> >> >> Bob Garrett >> Archives of Michigan >> Telephone: (517) 241-1382 >> E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov >> >> Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac >> Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your >> copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maa-l mailing list >> Maa-l at lists.dhal.org >> http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l >> > > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l > > > From jmyler at ford.com Mon Jun 25 10:29:04 2007 From: jmyler at ford.com (Myler, Jamie (J.)) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:29:04 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] MAA Meeting - Keynote Address In-Reply-To: <467EAF21.6030105@umich.edu> References: <8162C205-EB0C-4912-911B-81E4EC7B75CA@wayne.edu> <467EAF21.6030105@umich.edu> Message-ID: <9FCF0B850D70E14984FE2A0B054E41FF02E3E1DD@na1fcm13.dearborn.ford.com> She left directly from her speech to Metro Airport for her trip to Oregon. She had a one-way non-refundable ticket from Metro to Oregon that left a couple hours later. The reason she drove, instead of taking a later flight, was that Delta told the passengers that their flight wasn't "officially" cancelled. They also said they wouldn't put them on another flight until Monday! She said she slept twice that night, twenty minutes a time. She showed up in a very good mood and ready to go. I definitely think MAA owes her a very nice gift of gratitude. Jamie -----Original Message----- From: maa-l-bounces+jmyler=ford.com at lists.dhal.org [mailto:maa-l-bounces+jmyler=ford.com at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of Karen L. Jania Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 1:51 PM To: Sandy Eklund Cc: maa-l at lists.dhal.org Subject: Re: [Maa-l] MAA Meeting - Keynote Address The air conditioning was out in the plane. It never even left the gate and they sat there 4 hours as the temperature got up to around 100. There was a little boy that had the flu, throwing up the entire time. He finally became very dehydrated, his mom started crying as she was freaked out, so someone on board called 911 , much to the dismay of the Delta employees. An ambulance, emergency vehicles...... She was on her way to Oregon for a family reunion. I believe she was going to leave yesterday. K- Karen L. Jania, Reference Archivist Head, Access and Reference Services Bentley Historical Library, University of Michigan 1150 Beal Ave., Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2113 phone 734.764.3482 fax:734.936.1333 http://bentley.umich.edu email: kljania at umich.edu Sandy Eklund wrote: > Did anyone ever hear what the problem was with the flight? > > Did she got right back Friday or did she spend the night? > > I wish we could do something for her, but not sure what. Sending > flowers and candy doesn't seme like enough. > > Sandy > > > > On Jun 23, 2007, at 8:37 PM, Robert Garrett wrote: > > >> This was a great annual meeting! Kudos to the Program Committee, >> Local >> Arrangements Committee and all concerned. >> >> I'll have to say, too, that the dedication of our keynote speaker is >> nothing short of amazing. Dr. Anna-Lisa Cox agreed to speak on her >> book, A STRONGER KINSHIP (The book details the history of Covert, >> Michigan, a Post-Civil War racially integrated community.). She >> got on >> a flight at JFK - and then promptly got stuck on the runway for four >> hours! Apparently, young children were getting sick, and the airline >> wouldn't let anyone deplane. Finally, after four long hours, someone >> feared that one of those sick children who was vomiting heavily just >> might be in danger of dehydration. A passenger called 9-1-1! If not >> for that, the airline apparently still wouldn't have let anyone off >> the >> plane (It's Delta Airlines, if anyone's wondering.). >> >> Dr. Cox's flight was thus cancelled. She didn't let that dissuade >> her, >> though. She immediately rented an SUV and drove from JFK Airport >> in New >> York City all the way to Ann Arbor, Michigan! Needless to say, she >> didn't sleep much. She made it, though! She came right in, sat down >> and got only a few bites and stood up and spoke. Unbelievable. >> >> I might add that she's a good speaker, too. She talked about her >> research on Covert, but she also sung the praises of archivists. She >> clearly does appreciate what we do, and that's nice. >> >> Naturally, we also appreciated her determined efforts to deliver her >> speech. As listserv moderator, I officially give her a "cyber >> salute!" >> >> >> Bob Garrett >> Archives of Michigan >> Telephone: (517) 241-1382 >> E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov >> >> Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac >> Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your >> copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maa-l mailing list >> Maa-l at lists.dhal.org >> http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l >> > > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l > > > _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From Thomas.Nanzig at il.proquest.com Mon Jun 25 13:09:16 2007 From: Thomas.Nanzig at il.proquest.com (Nanzig, Thomas) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:09:16 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] MAA Meeting - Keynote Address In-Reply-To: <9FCF0B850D70E14984FE2A0B054E41FF02E3E1DD@na1fcm13.dearborn.ford.com> References: <8162C205-EB0C-4912-911B-81E4EC7B75CA@wayne.edu><467EAF21.6030105@umich.edu> <9FCF0B850D70E14984FE2A0B054E41FF02E3E1DD@na1fcm13.dearborn.ford.com> Message-ID: <8D2CC54029C0C146B976AB3157C0E9070AA7D065@AABO-EXCHANGE02.bos.il.pqe> Hurrah for Anna-Lisa! I agree with you all. She was terrific. She won me over completely with her sparkling personality and entertaining presentation. She is also quite pleasant to chat with and was very generous in answering several questions after the autographing was completed. Even if we do not send her a gift directly, if there is a cause to which we can donate in her name, that is usually appreciated by speaker in lieu of material gifts. Tom -----Original Message----- From: maa-l-bounces+thomas.nanzig=il.proquest.com at lists.dhal.org [mailto:maa-l-bounces+thomas.nanzig=il.proquest.com at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of Myler, Jamie (J.) Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 10:29 AM To: Karen L. Jania; Sandy Eklund Cc: maa-l at lists.dhal.org Subject: Re: [Maa-l] MAA Meeting - Keynote Address She left directly from her speech to Metro Airport for her trip to Oregon. She had a one-way non-refundable ticket from Metro to Oregon that left a couple hours later. The reason she drove, instead of taking a later flight, was that Delta told the passengers that their flight wasn't "officially" cancelled. They also said they wouldn't put them on another flight until Monday! She said she slept twice that night, twenty minutes a time. She showed up in a very good mood and ready to go. I definitely think MAA owes her a very nice gift of gratitude. Jamie -----Original Message----- From: maa-l-bounces+jmyler=ford.com at lists.dhal.org [mailto:maa-l-bounces+jmyler=ford.com at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of Karen L. Jania Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 1:51 PM To: Sandy Eklund Cc: maa-l at lists.dhal.org Subject: Re: [Maa-l] MAA Meeting - Keynote Address The air conditioning was out in the plane. It never even left the gate and they sat there 4 hours as the temperature got up to around 100. There was a little boy that had the flu, throwing up the entire time. He finally became very dehydrated, his mom started crying as she was freaked out, so someone on board called 911 , much to the dismay of the Delta employees. An ambulance, emergency vehicles...... She was on her way to Oregon for a family reunion. I believe she was going to leave yesterday. K- Karen L. Jania, Reference Archivist Head, Access and Reference Services Bentley Historical Library, University of Michigan 1150 Beal Ave., Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2113 phone 734.764.3482 fax:734.936.1333 http://bentley.umich.edu email: kljania at umich.edu Sandy Eklund wrote: > Did anyone ever hear what the problem was with the flight? > > Did she got right back Friday or did she spend the night? > > I wish we could do something for her, but not sure what. Sending > flowers and candy doesn't seme like enough. > > Sandy > > > > On Jun 23, 2007, at 8:37 PM, Robert Garrett wrote: > > >> This was a great annual meeting! Kudos to the Program Committee, >> Local Arrangements Committee and all concerned. >> >> I'll have to say, too, that the dedication of our keynote speaker is >> nothing short of amazing. Dr. Anna-Lisa Cox agreed to speak on her >> book, A STRONGER KINSHIP (The book details the history of Covert, >> Michigan, a Post-Civil War racially integrated community.). She got >> on a flight at JFK - and then promptly got stuck on the runway for >> four hours! Apparently, young children were getting sick, and the >> airline wouldn't let anyone deplane. Finally, after four long hours, >> someone feared that one of those sick children who was vomiting >> heavily just might be in danger of dehydration. A passenger called >> 9-1-1! If not for that, the airline apparently still wouldn't have >> let anyone off the plane (It's Delta Airlines, if anyone's >> wondering.). >> >> Dr. Cox's flight was thus cancelled. She didn't let that dissuade >> her, though. She immediately rented an SUV and drove from JFK >> Airport in New York City all the way to Ann Arbor, Michigan! >> Needless to say, she didn't sleep much. She made it, though! She >> came right in, sat down and got only a few bites and stood up and >> spoke. Unbelievable. >> >> I might add that she's a good speaker, too. She talked about her >> research on Covert, but she also sung the praises of archivists. She >> clearly does appreciate what we do, and that's nice. >> >> Naturally, we also appreciated her determined efforts to deliver her >> speech. As listserv moderator, I officially give her a "cyber >> salute!" >> >> >> Bob Garrett >> Archives of Michigan >> Telephone: (517) 241-1382 >> E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov >> >> Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac >> Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your >> copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maa-l mailing list >> Maa-l at lists.dhal.org >> http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l >> > > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l > > > _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From daleym at gvsu.edu Tue Jun 26 11:22:55 2007 From: daleym at gvsu.edu (Matthew Daley) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:22:55 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Al Capone and Oral History Message-ID: <4680F7910200006800004BAA@gvsu.edu> To all, Thank you Bob for the kind words, and yes, True Crime the great morass of history. For a very strong example of underworld history done right, check out Paul Maccabee's "John Dillinger Slept Here a Crook's Tour of Crime and Corruption in St. Paul, Minnesota, 1920-1936" (Minnesota Historical Society Press, 1995), though arranged a bit oddly, Maccabee's research is impeccable and he avoids the crass sensationalism of most works. His footnotes are a real joy and he asks good questions about policing and policy in a mid-sized city. The other good book, though a bit too heavy on the narrative side, is Bryan Burroughs' "Public Enemies: America's Greatest Crime Wave and the Birth of the FBI, 1933-1934" (Penguin, 2005), despite the melodrama title. This is also well grounded in the newly released FBI documents and he has a good bibliographic note about this tricky subject. And, as the cover blurb says, it is ludicrously entertaining. If you're interested in the 19th century and the use of autobiography (not technically oral history) have a look at Timothy Gilfoyle's "A Pickpocket's Tale: The Underworld of Nineteenth-Century New York" (Norton, 2006). This work is disguised as a popular history, a very good read, but check out the 120 pages of footnotes, my students thought it was great and I was able to teach research on a subject that is usually "all about the killing" as one told me. On the academic side of things, Andrew W. Cohen's "The Racketeer?s Progress: Chicago and the Struggle for the Modern American Economy, 1900-1940. Cambridge University Press, 2004" is excellent as it takes apart what is meant by organized crime and racketeering, words that are usually used interchangeably. He's on the history faculty at Syracuse University. Further, the two books on organized crime in Detroit are absolutely awful, not a single footnote or any usable source and the author takes the newspapers at face value and really goes for the "splatter" effect. It is a real shame as there is a wealth of material on the Jerry Buckley murder in 1930 that he simply didn't use even though it was right at hand. Sorry to be long winded. Best, Matthew L. Daley, Ph.D Assistant Professor of History Grand Valley State University Allendale, MI 49401-9403 Office: (616)331-8701 http://www.flickr.com/photos/mdaley752/ >>> "Robert Garrett" 06/23/07 8:06 PM >>> As some of you know, I've been delving into Lansing history lately. Recently, I heard that Al Capone had been in the Lansing area. I searched and couldn't find any information on it. Now, I know more - and I owe it to Matt Daley and a helpful Barnes and Noble saleslady. Matt referred me to Laurence Bergreen's book CAPONE. Said book may have long eluded me, though, if Helpful Barnes and Noble Saleslady hadn't lead me away from the Biography section and into "True Crime." So, my thanks to both. (Of course, Helpful Barnes and Noble Saleslady isn't actually reading this, but maybe she's here in spirit.) Matt was right: Chapter Four has quite a bit on Capone in Lansing during the summer of 1926. (It seems that Capone largely stayed out of Lansing proper - too many government officials. He apparently spent a lot of time at Round Lake, however.) Matt did warn me, though, that Bergreen's book "wasn't particularly well sourced" and well...he was right about that, too. What's Mr. Bergreen's source on Capone's mid-Michigan activities? Oral history interviews. That's well and good, except....they are apparently interviews that he personally conducted and that aren't available to anyone else. What's more - Mr. Bergreen changed the name of at least one interviewees to protect his source! Well, hey - we are dealing with organized crime. I can understand why some of these people might be reluctant to talk. It suggests another issue to me, though: At what point we stray from history and into acocrypha? If we have information but no way of verifying it, then how to we regard sucacocryphal or not - may well be the only real source of information that we have in this case! So, what do you think - is it history or b.s.? (As an aside, I'll note that it does suggest to me the importance of not only recording oral histories but also ensuring that they remain available. I feel good about doing some for the Archives of Michigan.) (Oh...and thanks again, Matt!) Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From GarrettR1 at michigan.gov Tue Jun 26 15:59:22 2007 From: GarrettR1 at michigan.gov (Robert Garrett) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:59:22 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] MAA Meeting - Keynote Address Message-ID: MAA board members have been discussing what to do for Dr. Cox, since we learned of the situation. I was there when we were discussing it before the Friday luncheon. I know that we're reimbursing her for mileage and for the rental car and if necessary, the flight (The airline may still reimburse her for that.). She also recieved an honorarium for the talk. Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. >>> "Nanzig, Thomas" 6/25/2007 1:09 PM >>> Hurrah for Anna-Lisa! I agree with you all. She was terrific. She won me over completely with her sparkling personality and entertaining presentation. She is also quite pleasant to chat with and was very generous in answering several questions after the autographing was completed. Even if we do not send her a gift directly, if there is a cause to which we can donate in her name, that is usually appreciated by speaker in lieu of material gifts. Tom -----Original Message----- From: maa-l-bounces+thomas.nanzig=il.proquest.com at lists.dhal.org [mailto:maa-l-bounces+thomas.nanzig=il.proquest.com at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of Myler, Jamie (J.) Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 10:29 AM To: Karen L. Jania; Sandy Eklund Cc: maa-l at lists.dhal.org Subject: Re: [Maa-l] MAA Meeting - Keynote Address She left directly from her speech to Metro Airport for her trip to Oregon. She had a one-way non-refundable ticket from Metro to Oregon that left a couple hours later. The reason she drove, instead of taking a later flight, was that Delta told the passengers that their flight wasn't "officially" cancelled. They also said they wouldn't put them on another flight until Monday! She said she slept twice that night, twenty minutes a time. She showed up in a very good mood and ready to go. I definitely think MAA owes her a very nice gift of gratitude. Jamie -----Original Message----- From: maa-l-bounces+jmyler=ford.com at lists.dhal.org [mailto:maa-l-bounces+jmyler=ford.com at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of Karen L. Jania Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 1:51 PM To: Sandy Eklund Cc: maa-l at lists.dhal.org Subject: Re: [Maa-l] MAA Meeting - Keynote Address The air conditioning was out in the plane. It never even left the gate and they sat there 4 hours as the temperature got up to around 100. There was a little boy that had the flu, throwing up the entire time. He finally became very dehydrated, his mom started crying as she was freaked out, so someone on board called 911 , much to the dismay of the Delta employees. An ambulance, emergency vehicles...... She was on her way to Oregon for a family reunion. I believe she was going to leave yesterday. K- Karen L. Jania, Reference Archivist Head, Access and Reference Services Bentley Historical Library, University of Michigan 1150 Beal Ave., Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2113 phone 734.764.3482 fax:734.936.1333 http://bentley.umich.edu email: kljania at umich.edu Sandy Eklund wrote: > Did anyone ever hear what the problem was with the flight? > > Did she got right back Friday or did she spend the night? > > I wish we could do something for her, but not sure what. Sending > flowers and candy doesn't seme like enough. > > Sandy > > > > On Jun 23, 2007, at 8:37 PM, Robert Garrett wrote: > > >> This was a great annual meeting! Kudos to the Program Committee, >> Local Arrangements Committee and all concerned. >> >> I'll have to say, too, that the dedication of our keynote speaker is >> nothing short of amazing. Dr. Anna-Lisa Cox agreed to speak on her >> book, A STRONGER KINSHIP (The book details the history of Covert, >> Michigan, a Post-Civil War racially integrated community.). She got >> on a flight at JFK - and then promptly got stuck on the runway for >> four hours! Apparently, young children were getting sick, and the >> airline wouldn't let anyone deplane. Finally, after four long hours, >> someone feared that one of those sick children who was vomiting >> heavily just might be in danger of dehydration. A passenger called >> 9-1-1! If not for that, the airline apparently still wouldn't have >> let anyone off the plane (It's Delta Airlines, if anyone's >> wondering.). >> >> Dr. Cox's flight was thus cancelled. She didn't let that dissuade >> her, though. She immediately rented an SUV and drove from JFK >> Airport in New York City all the way to Ann Arbor, Michigan! >> Needless to say, she didn't sleep much. She made it, though! She >> came right in, sat down and got only a few bites and stood up and >> spoke. Unbelievable. >> >> I might add that she's a good speaker, too. She talked about her >> research on Covert, but she also sung the praises of archivists. She >> clearly does appreciate what we do, and that's nice. >> >> Naturally, we also appreciated her determined efforts to deliver her >> speech. As listserv moderator, I officially give her a "cyber >> salute!" >> >> >> Bob Garrett >> Archives of Michigan >> Telephone: (517) 241-1382 >> E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov >> >> Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac >> Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your >> copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maa-l mailing list >> Maa-l at lists.dhal.org >> http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l >> > > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l > > > _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From GarrettR1 at michigan.gov Tue Jun 26 16:17:00 2007 From: GarrettR1 at michigan.gov (Robert Garrett) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:17:00 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Al Capone and Oral History Message-ID: Admittedly, I have barely dipped in a toe into the great pool of true crime literature. My book shelf does include a copy of Paul Kavieff's history of the Purple Gang. I never got around to reading it, though. Your comment about the "ludicrously entertaining" book on the birth of the FBI made me think of that old Jimmy Stewart movie THE FBI STORY. Have you seen that? Well, if you haven't, then don't. It's not particularly good. It does include some mildy amusing Cold War paranoia, however. Thanks for the notes, Matt. That "true crime" label is kind of unfortunate. It sounds like some good, scholarly works do get lumped in with more sensationalistic ones. Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. >>> "Matthew Daley" 6/26/2007 11:22 AM >>> To all, Thank you Bob for the kind words, and yes, True Crime the great morass of history. For a very strong example of underworld history done right, check out Paul Maccabee's "John Dillinger Slept Here a Crook's Tour of Crime and Corruption in St. Paul, Minnesota, 1920-1936" (Minnesota Historical Society Press, 1995), though arranged a bit oddly, Maccabee's research is impeccable and he avoids the crass sensationalism of most works. His footnotes are a real joy and he asks good questions about policing and policy in a mid-sized city. The other good book, though a bit too heavy on the narrative side, is Bryan Burroughs' "Public Enemies: America's Greatest Crime Wave and the Birth of the FBI, 1933-1934" (Penguin, 2005), despite the melodrama title. This is also well grounded in the newly released FBI documents and he has a good bibliographic note about this tricky subject. And, as the cover blurb says, it is ludicrously entertaining. If you're interested in the 19th century and the use of autobiography (not technically oral history) have a look at Timothy Gilfoyle's "A Pickpocket's Tale: The Underworld of Nineteenth-Century New York" (Norton, 2006). This work is disguised as a popular history, a very good read, but check out the 120 pages of footnotes, my students thought it was great and I was able to teach research on a subject that is usually "all about the killing" as one told me. On the academic side of things, Andrew W. Cohen's "The Racketeer?s Progress: Chicago and the Struggle for the Modern American Economy, 1900-1940. Cambridge University Press, 2004" is excellent as it takes apart what is meant by organized crime and racketeering, words that are usually used interchangeably. He's on the history faculty at Syracuse University. Further, the two books on organized crime in Detroit are absolutely awful, not a single footnote or any usable source and the author takes the newspapers at face value and really goes for the "splatter" effect. It is a real shame as there is a wealth of material on the Jerry Buckley murder in 1930 that he simply didn't use even though it was right at hand. Sorry to be long winded. Best, Matthew L. Daley, Ph.D Assistant Professor of History Grand Valley State University Allendale, MI 49401-9403 Office: (616)331-8701 http://www.flickr.com/photos/mdaley752/ >>> "Robert Garrett" 06/23/07 8:06 PM >>> As some of you know, I've been delving into Lansing history lately. Recently, I heard that Al Capone had been in the Lansing area. I searched and couldn't find any information on it. Now, I know more - and I owe it to Matt Daley and a helpful Barnes and Noble saleslady. Matt referred me to Laurence Bergreen's book CAPONE. Said book may have long eluded me, though, if Helpful Barnes and Noble Saleslady hadn't lead me away from the Biography section and into "True Crime." So, my thanks to both. (Of course, Helpful Barnes and Noble Saleslady isn't actually reading this, but maybe she's here in spirit.) Matt was right: Chapter Four has quite a bit on Capone in Lansing during the summer of 1926. (It seems that Capone largely stayed out of Lansing proper - too many government officials. He apparently spent a lot of time at Round Lake, however.) Matt did warn me, though, that Bergreen's book "wasn't particularly well sourced" and well...he was right about that, too. What's Mr. Bergreen's source on Capone's mid-Michigan activities? Oral history interviews. That's well and good, except....they are apparently interviews that he personally conducted and that aren't available to anyone else. What's more - Mr. Bergreen changed the name of at least one interviewees to protect his source! Well, hey - we are dealing with organized crime. I can understand why some of these people might be reluctant to talk. It suggests another issue to me, though: At what point we stray from history and into acocrypha? If we have information but no way of verifying it, then how to we regard sucacocryphal or not - may well be the only real source of information that we have in this case! So, what do you think - is it history or b.s.? (As an aside, I'll note that it does suggest to me the importance of not only recording oral histories but also ensuring that they remain available. I feel good about doing some for the Archives of Michigan.) (Oh...and thanks again, Matt!) Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From GarrettR1 at michigan.gov Tue Jun 26 16:46:30 2007 From: GarrettR1 at michigan.gov (Robert Garrett) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:46:30 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops Message-ID: I understand that Wed.'s copyright workshop was well received. Lance Werner and Nick Bozen were the presenters. Everyone who attended seemed quite impressed, and that's nice to hear. Workshops in general were a topic of discussion in Ann Arbor. The topic arose at the MAA board meeting and at the breakout session on the Harvey challenge. The consensus seems to be that MAA should offer more workshops. Right now, we're working on the mechanics. How many should we offer? Where should we offer them? Attendance will likely be best in the Southeast part of the state. Of course, this doesn't mean that the less populous areas should be ignored. What's fair? Tied to this discussion is a discussion on chapters. Should MAA have regional "chapters" or section? Would it better to arrange these chapters by function, such as "Reference" or "Processing?" Should different chapters discern educational needs - or should MAA's educational committee oversee such matters? It seems that some sort of central authority on workshops may be needed, but how do we best go about this? There were a number of issues here, then, and hopefully, I didn't "miscommunicate" any of them. In any case, I thought that I'd throw the matter out here for discussion. If anyone has any thoughts, then please feel free to chime in. Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. From reimanna at STARR.ORG Wed Jun 27 07:40:45 2007 From: reimanna at STARR.ORG (Reimann, Amy) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:40:45 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <398A5D8A8B8DFF40996755140B799497010AE956@asvr1x.starr.local> The breakout session on Chapters was not well-attended - 4 of us to be exact and one of those was a spy for MAC in any case (you know who you are). Matt Daley and I spent some time deciding on holding a workshop in August or so to get the ball rolling on having them. There was some other talk about workshops around the conference at various times and how good they would be, but lots of questions about funding and such that I don't think can be answered until we actually have some funding available to help with costs. I think members want to attend them, I think members want to organize them, so we just need to develop the formula that will work best and do them. Keep your eyes and ears open for info about a workshop to be held in the Grand Rapids area later in the summer. Amy -----Original Message----- From: maa-l-bounces+reimanna=starr.org at lists.dhal.org [mailto:maa-l-bounces+reimanna=starr.org at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of Robert Garrett Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:47 PM To: maa-l at lists.dhal.org Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops I understand that Wed.'s copyright workshop was well received. Lance Werner and Nick Bozen were the presenters. Everyone who attended seemed quite impressed, and that's nice to hear. Workshops in general were a topic of discussion in Ann Arbor. The topic arose at the MAA board meeting and at the breakout session on the Harvey challenge. The consensus seems to be that MAA should offer more workshops. Right now, we're working on the mechanics. How many should we offer? Where should we offer them? Attendance will likely be best in the Southeast part of the state. Of course, this doesn't mean that the less populous areas should be ignored. What's fair? Tied to this discussion is a discussion on chapters. Should MAA have regional "chapters" or section? Would it better to arrange these chapters by function, such as "Reference" or "Processing?" Should different chapters discern educational needs - or should MAA's educational committee oversee such matters? It seems that some sort of central authority on workshops may be needed, but how do we best go about this? There were a number of issues here, then, and hopefully, I didn't "miscommunicate" any of them. In any case, I thought that I'd throw the matter out here for discussion. If anyone has any thoughts, then please feel free to chime in. Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From cvandenberg at madonna.edu Wed Jun 27 08:56:24 2007 From: cvandenberg at madonna.edu (Vandenberg, Carol) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:56:24 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If workshops are to be offered throughout the year, I would suggest that the number be limited to one or two in addition to the one given prior to the conference. My experience with programming has been that people are interested, but cannot find the time when it comes to attending. Carol Vandenberg Archivist & Reference Librarian Madonna University Voice: 734.432.5691 FAX: 734.432.5687 -----Original Message----- From: maa-l-bounces+cvandenberg=madonna.edu at lists.dhal.org [mailto:maa-l-bounces+cvandenberg=madonna.edu at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of Robert Garrett Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:47 PM To: maa-l at lists.dhal.org Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops I understand that Wed.'s copyright workshop was well received. Lance Werner and Nick Bozen were the presenters. Everyone who attended seemed quite impressed, and that's nice to hear. Workshops in general were a topic of discussion in Ann Arbor. The topic arose at the MAA board meeting and at the breakout session on the Harvey challenge. The consensus seems to be that MAA should offer more workshops. Right now, we're working on the mechanics. How many should we offer? Where should we offer them? Attendance will likely be best in the Southeast part of the state. Of course, this doesn't mean that the less populous areas should be ignored. What's fair? Tied to this discussion is a discussion on chapters. Should MAA have regional "chapters" or section? Would it better to arrange these chapters by function, such as "Reference" or "Processing?" Should different chapters discern educational needs - or should MAA's educational committee oversee such matters? It seems that some sort of central authority on workshops may be needed, but how do we best go about this? There were a number of issues here, then, and hopefully, I didn't "miscommunicate" any of them. In any case, I thought that I'd throw the matter out here for discussion. If anyone has any thoughts, then please feel free to chime in. Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From boles1fj at cmich.edu Wed Jun 27 09:35:04 2007 From: boles1fj at cmich.edu (Boles, Frank J.) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:35:04 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Bob: This has been a perennial discussion in MAA. I remember discussing the same issues in the early 1990s. The problem always came down not so much to the schedule but to finding instructors who would do the same workshop, again, and again, and again (for free and often eating travel expenses as well). The other endless issue was not geographic equity (no one thought we should only do workshops in the "golden triangle defined by Detroit, Lansing, and Grand Rapids) but in getting instructors to travel to the "boonies" (as in places like where I live). The number of breathing archivists north of Lansing is a very small pool indeed. Many years ago I remember sitting at an MAA meeting with my then two other "NOL" (north of Lansing) colleagues. We decided to form the "northern alliance" which would consist of a president, vp, and treasurer, with all offices rotated annually among the three of us (a great vita builder, I might add) and the treasurer bearing the solemn responsibility of buying the other two guys dinner. Unfortunately the alliance collapsed since no one would be treasurer first, and I think those two schmucks in the UP didn't really trust a dumb troll to come through with dinner when it was my turn. The point (besides from never being able to resist a good story) is that moving north of Lansing will be tough; with the UP particularly challenging, unless you can find a way to at least pay travel expenses. Even then, other than our two yupper regulars, who's up for a trip to Escanaba in the winter (which I believe ends in June in Escanaba -- just in time for black fly season). The other problem is deciding what "level" you are teaching to. Are these intro workshops for volunteers in the local history organizations? Easier to teach but usually of minimal interest to MAA members. Maybe more advanced topics like copyright? Harder to find instructors and to get a good sized audience outside of the golden triangle. Control is also a sticky issue. If you put the MAA logo on the workshop you'd like some sense of the content/quality of the project, but unless you develop standardized curriculur packages, well realistically you can't get control. Basically you pick "good" people to teach and cross your fingers. Of course "good" people tend to be in short supply, so do you just take volunteers and, as Clint Eastwood used to say "feelin' lucky?" There is no right answer to this; just what the organization has the will and capability of doing at a given time. My advice is to not get too hung up in planning; just do what you think makes sense and can get done in a reasonable time frame and with a reasonable amount of effrt, then adjust as experience dictates. Frank Boles -----Original Message----- From: maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org [mailto:maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of Robert Garrett Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:47 PM To: maa-l at lists.dhal.org Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops I understand that Wed.'s copyright workshop was well received. Lance Werner and Nick Bozen were the presenters. Everyone who attended seemed quite impressed, and that's nice to hear. Workshops in general were a topic of discussion in Ann Arbor. The topic arose at the MAA board meeting and at the breakout session on the Harvey challenge. The consensus seems to be that MAA should offer more workshops. Right now, we're working on the mechanics. How many should we offer? Where should we offer them? Attendance will likely be best in the Southeast part of the state. Of course, this doesn't mean that the less populous areas should be ignored. What's fair? Tied to this discussion is a discussion on chapters. Should MAA have regional "chapters" or section? Would it better to arrange these chapters by function, such as "Reference" or "Processing?" Should different chapters discern educational needs - or should MAA's educational committee oversee such matters? It seems that some sort of central authority on workshops may be needed, but how do we best go about this? There were a number of issues here, then, and hopefully, I didn't "miscommunicate" any of them. In any case, I thought that I'd throw the matter out here for discussion. If anyone has any thoughts, then please feel free to chime in. Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From millerwh at msu.edu Wed Jun 27 10:16:28 2007 From: millerwh at msu.edu (Whitney Miller) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:16:28 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops In-Reply-To: <398A5D8A8B8DFF40996755140B799497010AE956@asvr1x.starr.local> Message-ID: <001e01c7b8c5$c0b56550$78c10a23@D5JF6921> I don't think we should take lack of attendance at the breakout sessions as an indication of lack of interest. Friday afternoon is always a difficult time to keep people around. Perhaps we might want to consider moving the keynote to Thursday and moving the Business meeting/Raffle to Friday Lunch. That way there would be plenty of time, no worries if it ran late, and people could be free to leave around 2 or 3. If people still wanted options for Friday afternoon there could a tour or two that could be easily cancelled if there was not enough interest. On the workshops - I agree, I think people will attend if it addresses their needs and the cost is reasonable. Whitney Miller Michigan State Univ. Univ. Archives & Hist. Coll. From spanak at arbor.edu Wed Jun 27 10:32:28 2007 From: spanak at arbor.edu (Panak, Susan M.) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:32:28 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops In-Reply-To: <398A5D8A8B8DFF40996755140B799497010AE956@asvr1x.starr.local> References: <398A5D8A8B8DFF40996755140B799497010AE956@asvr1x.starr.local> Message-ID: At one of the sessions, the archivist from Siena Heights sat down next to me. We had quite a conversation because I have just completed a theological studies program through Siena and know very well several of the sisters at Siena Heights. When I asked her if she would be coming to the conference next year, she said no because of the distance. She only attended Ann Arbor because it was convenient for her. I feel these are the people we need to reach. But we need to identify who is in our regions (chapters?), what are the boundaries (boundaries, not borders, right Bob?), and what are there interests? Is there a need to have post-conference chapter meetings for those who were not able to attend? From aa6699 at wayne.edu Wed Jun 27 11:07:39 2007 From: aa6699 at wayne.edu (Sandy Eklund) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:07:39 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops In-Reply-To: <398A5D8A8B8DFF40996755140B799497010AE956@asvr1x.starr.local> References: <398A5D8A8B8DFF40996755140B799497010AE956@asvr1x.starr.local> Message-ID: I don't know if this will work or not, but maybe do a survey of the membership, via email for those who have it, snail mail for the others. Since most have email, this will save time and money over a snail mail. Also, if you don't get responses, it's easy to ask again. Ask what topics they would want to see covered in a workshop, if they want half or all day, where in the state, maybe what would be the maximum they would be willing to pay, etc. Costs - have to pay the instructor(s), and any photocopying needs, plus any food/beverages. There may or may not be costs if they need an internet hookup. By doing it at somebody's shop, you can probably save a lot, as you might not have to pay a room rental fee. This may be a good way to get other members involved if they want to host it, they could work with the board to make sure everything is covered, etc. Since these would be small, it would be easy for the board to handle registration. It may be possible to do this without having to take too much funds from MAA. However, a minimum number of attendees have to be determined, and perhaps the registration fee based on the minimum to cover costs. May want to pick 2 or 3 locations - Grand Rapids for the west side, perhaps Lansing, CMU in Mt. Pleasant or the Reuther in Detroit for the others. Geoff is right, most will come from south east MI, but Mt Pleasant might be a draw for those farther north. It may be useful to arrange for a discount at a local hotel for anyone who is staying over. BTW, I got a message today from the Bavarian Inn Lodge asking when we will be coming back to Frankenmuth. That may or may not want to be a location to consider, depending on costs. It never hurts to keep a good relationship going, may be more likely to get something out of them should we have another conference there in the future. I think their room rental was $100-$150 per room per day, and they would most likely give us a hotel room discount. I would be happy to work on the arrangements part of this if needed. Sandy On Jun 27, 2007, at 7:40 AM, Reimann, Amy wrote: > The breakout session on Chapters was not well-attended - 4 of us to be > exact and one of those was a spy for MAC in any case (you know who you > are). Matt Daley and I spent some time deciding on holding a workshop > in August or so to get the ball rolling on having them. > > There was some other talk about workshops around the conference at > various times and how good they would be, but lots of questions about > funding and such that I don't think can be answered until we actually > have some funding available to help with costs. > > I think members want to attend them, I think members want to organize > them, so we just need to develop the formula that will work best > and do > them. > > Keep your eyes and ears open for info about a workshop to be held > in the > Grand Rapids area later in the summer. > > Amy > > -----Original Message----- > From: maa-l-bounces+reimanna=starr.org at lists.dhal.org > [mailto:maa-l-bounces+reimanna=starr.org at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of > Robert Garrett > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:47 PM > To: maa-l at lists.dhal.org > Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops > > I understand that Wed.'s copyright workshop was well received. Lance > Werner and Nick Bozen were the presenters. Everyone who attended > seemed > quite impressed, and that's nice to hear. > > Workshops in general were a topic of discussion in Ann Arbor. The > topic arose at the MAA board meeting and at the breakout session on > the > Harvey challenge. > > The consensus seems to be that MAA should offer more workshops. Right > now, we're working on the mechanics. How many should we offer? Where > should we offer them? Attendance will likely be best in the Southeast > part of the state. Of course, this doesn't mean that the less > populous > areas should be ignored. What's fair? > > Tied to this discussion is a discussion on chapters. Should MAA have > regional "chapters" or section? Would it better to arrange these > chapters by function, such as "Reference" or "Processing?" Should > different chapters discern educational needs - or should MAA's > educational committee oversee such matters? It seems that some > sort of > central authority on workshops may be needed, but how do we best go > about this? > > There were a number of issues here, then, and hopefully, I didn't > "miscommunicate" any of them. In any case, I thought that I'd > throw the > matter out here for discussion. If anyone has any thoughts, then > please > feel free to chime in. > > Bob Garrett > Archives of Michigan > Telephone: (517) 241-1382 > E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov > > Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac > Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your > copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From mrobyns at nmu.edu Wed Jun 27 12:46:51 2007 From: mrobyns at nmu.edu (Robyns, Marcus) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:46:51 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops References: Message-ID: Greetings: I have long advocated a regular MAA sponsored workshop for the UP. Frank is correct, of course, in noting that there are only two of us up here (myself and Erik Nordberg at MTU. He is also correct in noting that Erik and I do not allow him to cross the bridge without prior notice and escort through the region). However, my intended audience is the small shop owners - historical societies and museums - scattered around the region. These people desperately need our help figuring out what to do with the old diaries, letters, photographes, and, increasingly, electronic records that come to them. Fortunately, we have a ready made group in the UP called the "Northland Consortium" that Erik and I, especially Erik (in fact, he's probably been the driving force keeping the group together), work with regularly. In fact, Erik and I are planning to do an all-day workshop on conservation and repair at the Consortium's fall meeting. MAA has already expressed an interest in sponsoring the event (I have to get cost info to the board). It would be great if we could do something like this annually. I cannot speak for Erik, but I don't need compensation since this work falls within my "assigned responsibilities" of educational outreach. MAA would do well to recognize that even though the vast majority of professional archivists are in the "golden triangle" or south of the Lansing line, most of our archival resources are cared for by non-professionals (a great many above the Lansing line). MAA should reach out to these people as a readily available and helpful resource. BTW, I survived my blood clot and a rather harrowing three days at the Gratiot Community Hospital (Alma) fending off blood letting demands and leach applications. Gawd, its good to be back in the civilized UP. . . --Marcus ________________________________ From: maa-l-bounces+mrobyns=nmu.edu at lists.dhal.org on behalf of Boles, Frank J. Sent: Wed 6/27/2007 9:35 AM To: Robert Garrett; maa-l at lists.dhal.org Subject: Re: [Maa-l] Workshops Dear Bob: This has been a perennial discussion in MAA. I remember discussing the same issues in the early 1990s. The problem always came down not so much to the schedule but to finding instructors who would do the same workshop, again, and again, and again (for free and often eating travel expenses as well). The other endless issue was not geographic equity (no one thought we should only do workshops in the "golden triangle defined by Detroit, Lansing, and Grand Rapids) but in getting instructors to travel to the "boonies" (as in places like where I live). The number of breathing archivists north of Lansing is a very small pool indeed. Many years ago I remember sitting at an MAA meeting with my then two other "NOL" (north of Lansing) colleagues. We decided to form the "northern alliance" which would consist of a president, vp, and treasurer, with all offices rotated annually among the three of us (a great vita builder, I might add) and the treasurer bearing the solemn responsibility of buying the other two guys dinner. Unfortunately the alliance collapsed since no one would be treasurer first, and I think those two schmucks in the UP didn't really trust a dumb troll to come through with dinner when it was my turn. The point (besides from never being able to resist a good story) is that moving north of Lansing will be tough; with the UP particularly challenging, unless you can find a way to at least pay travel expenses. Even then, other than our two yupper regulars, who's up for a trip to Escanaba in the winter (which I believe ends in June in Escanaba -- just in time for black fly season). The other problem is deciding what "level" you are teaching to. Are these intro workshops for volunteers in the local history organizations? Easier to teach but usually of minimal interest to MAA members. Maybe more advanced topics like copyright? Harder to find instructors and to get a good sized audience outside of the golden triangle. Control is also a sticky issue. If you put the MAA logo on the workshop you'd like some sense of the content/quality of the project, but unless you develop standardized curriculur packages, well realistically you can't get control. Basically you pick "good" people to teach and cross your fingers. Of course "good" people tend to be in short supply, so do you just take volunteers and, as Clint Eastwood used to say "feelin' lucky?" There is no right answer to this; just what the organization has the will and capability of doing at a given time. My advice is to not get too hung up in planning; just do what you think makes sense and can get done in a reasonable time frame and with a reasonable amount of effrt, then adjust as experience dictates. Frank Boles -----Original Message----- From: maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org [mailto:maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of Robert Garrett Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:47 PM To: maa-l at lists.dhal.org Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops I understand that Wed.'s copyright workshop was well received. Lance Werner and Nick Bozen were the presenters. Everyone who attended seemed quite impressed, and that's nice to hear. Workshops in general were a topic of discussion in Ann Arbor. The topic arose at the MAA board meeting and at the breakout session on the Harvey challenge. The consensus seems to be that MAA should offer more workshops. Right now, we're working on the mechanics. How many should we offer? Where should we offer them? Attendance will likely be best in the Southeast part of the state. Of course, this doesn't mean that the less populous areas should be ignored. What's fair? Tied to this discussion is a discussion on chapters. Should MAA have regional "chapters" or section? Would it better to arrange these chapters by function, such as "Reference" or "Processing?" Should different chapters discern educational needs - or should MAA's educational committee oversee such matters? It seems that some sort of central authority on workshops may be needed, but how do we best go about this? There were a number of issues here, then, and hopefully, I didn't "miscommunicate" any of them. In any case, I thought that I'd throw the matter out here for discussion. If anyone has any thoughts, then please feel free to chime in. Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.dhal.org/pipermail/maa-l/attachments/20070627/8178ac10/attachment.html From millerwh at msu.edu Wed Jun 27 13:27:46 2007 From: millerwh at msu.edu (Whitney Miller) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:27:46 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops/MAA Local Chapters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c7b8e0$7a5a6cc0$78c10a23@D5JF6921> The travel distance & knowing who is around & willing to speak has always been the problem. I believe that is why we originally proposed promoting regional chapters. The local chapters would be run by the people in that area and workshops, speakers, events, etc. would be planned based on the local need and resources. This idea is based on the ARMA model, however rather than having a national parent organization there would be a state parent organization. To make it work, there needs to be a person in a region (North, South, East, West Michigan or city-based) that steps up to be the leader in that area until it gets going, then there can be elections or whatever is preferred. So everyone- if you want to have a archival activities and networking that are more frequent than the annual meeting and are more convenient to attend, now is the time to say so. Just get a group of people interested in archives issues (archivists/librarians/historical resource people in your area) to meet for lunch or an informal after work get-together and discuss it. Whitney Miller Michigan State University -----Original Message----- From: maa-l-bounces+millerwh=msu.edu at lists.dhal.org [mailto:maa-l-bounces+millerwh=msu.edu at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of Panak, Susan M. Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:32 AM To: maa-l at lists.dhal.org Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops At one of the sessions, the archivist from Siena Heights sat down next to me. We had quite a conversation because I have just completed a theological studies program through Siena and know very well several of the sisters at Siena Heights. When I asked her if she would be coming to the conference next year, she said no because of the distance. She only attended Ann Arbor because it was convenient for her. I feel these are the people we need to reach. But we need to identify who is in our regions (chapters?), what are the boundaries (boundaries, not borders, right Bob?), and what are there interests? Is there a need to have post-conference chapter meetings for those who were not able to attend? _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From boles1fj at cmich.edu Wed Jun 27 13:35:22 2007 From: boles1fj at cmich.edu (Boles, Frank J.) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:35:22 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops In-Reply-To: References: <398A5D8A8B8DFF40996755140B799497010AE956@asvr1x.starr.local> Message-ID: People love to come to Mt. Pleasant -- we'll just work in a casino tour! Seriously if you want to do a workshop here we will facilitate it. By the way I can tell you what the survey will say. Preservation (they all want preservation -- because they don't understand what else they need), within an hour's drive from the house, and $20 or less ("I'm paying this out of my own pocket and I'm retired!", both of which may be true but still means you've got a pretty minimal budget to work with). And don't even dream about overnight; isn't going to happen. T These are tough criteria to make work. Frank Ps. Yuppers are different -- they will drive over half the peninusula to go to something. Go figure. -----Original Message----- From: maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org [mailto:maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Eklund Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:08 AM To: Reimann, Amy Cc: maa-l at lists.dhal.org Subject: Re: [Maa-l] Workshops I don't know if this will work or not, but maybe do a survey of the membership, via email for those who have it, snail mail for the others. Since most have email, this will save time and money over a snail mail. Also, if you don't get responses, it's easy to ask again. Ask what topics they would want to see covered in a workshop, if they want half or all day, where in the state, maybe what would be the maximum they would be willing to pay, etc. Costs - have to pay the instructor(s), and any photocopying needs, plus any food/beverages. There may or may not be costs if they need an internet hookup. By doing it at somebody's shop, you can probably save a lot, as you might not have to pay a room rental fee. This may be a good way to get other members involved if they want to host it, they could work with the board to make sure everything is covered, etc. Since these would be small, it would be easy for the board to handle registration. It may be possible to do this without having to take too much funds from MAA. However, a minimum number of attendees have to be determined, and perhaps the registration fee based on the minimum to cover costs. May want to pick 2 or 3 locations - Grand Rapids for the west side, perhaps Lansing, CMU in Mt. Pleasant or the Reuther in Detroit for the others. Geoff is right, most will come from south east MI, but Mt Pleasant might be a draw for those farther north. It may be useful to arrange for a discount at a local hotel for anyone who is staying over. BTW, I got a message today from the Bavarian Inn Lodge asking when we will be coming back to Frankenmuth. That may or may not want to be a location to consider, depending on costs. It never hurts to keep a good relationship going, may be more likely to get something out of them should we have another conference there in the future. I think their room rental was $100-$150 per room per day, and they would most likely give us a hotel room discount. I would be happy to work on the arrangements part of this if needed. Sandy On Jun 27, 2007, at 7:40 AM, Reimann, Amy wrote: > The breakout session on Chapters was not well-attended - 4 of us to be > exact and one of those was a spy for MAC in any case (you know who you > are). Matt Daley and I spent some time deciding on holding a workshop > in August or so to get the ball rolling on having them. > > There was some other talk about workshops around the conference at > various times and how good they would be, but lots of questions about > funding and such that I don't think can be answered until we actually > have some funding available to help with costs. > > I think members want to attend them, I think members want to organize > them, so we just need to develop the formula that will work best > and do > them. > > Keep your eyes and ears open for info about a workshop to be held > in the > Grand Rapids area later in the summer. > > Amy > > -----Original Message----- > From: maa-l-bounces+reimanna=starr.org at lists.dhal.org > [mailto:maa-l-bounces+reimanna=starr.org at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of > Robert Garrett > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:47 PM > To: maa-l at lists.dhal.org > Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops > > I understand that Wed.'s copyright workshop was well received. Lance > Werner and Nick Bozen were the presenters. Everyone who attended > seemed > quite impressed, and that's nice to hear. > > Workshops in general were a topic of discussion in Ann Arbor. The > topic arose at the MAA board meeting and at the breakout session on > the > Harvey challenge. > > The consensus seems to be that MAA should offer more workshops. Right > now, we're working on the mechanics. How many should we offer? Where > should we offer them? Attendance will likely be best in the Southeast > part of the state. Of course, this doesn't mean that the less > populous > areas should be ignored. What's fair? > > Tied to this discussion is a discussion on chapters. Should MAA have > regional "chapters" or section? Would it better to arrange these > chapters by function, such as "Reference" or "Processing?" Should > different chapters discern educational needs - or should MAA's > educational committee oversee such matters? It seems that some > sort of > central authority on workshops may be needed, but how do we best go > about this? > > There were a number of issues here, then, and hopefully, I didn't > "miscommunicate" any of them. In any case, I thought that I'd > throw the > matter out here for discussion. If anyone has any thoughts, then > please > feel free to chime in. > > Bob Garrett > Archives of Michigan > Telephone: (517) 241-1382 > E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov > > Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac > Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your > copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From aa6699 at wayne.edu Wed Jun 27 14:30:39 2007 From: aa6699 at wayne.edu (Sandy Eklund) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:30:39 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frank raises some very good issues. I've also been involved with MAA since 1994, and we discussed these issues many times, and couldn't come up any "solutions," which is why workshops never happened. Instructors and control - finding someone good is tough, and making sure they teach what the workshop description says they will. This happened at a workshop in recent years, what was taught was not what was advertised. A major problem we have whenever we get speakers for the conference who are non MAA folks are getting them to reply to requests for info, readings, AV needs, registration, etc. We had a workshop instructor one time who did not get the readings out to people in time. My guess is that we will have the same problem with workshop instructors who are non MAA people, so we need to be prepared for that, and have someone who is willing to hound them. Location - as Frank said, this has always been an issue, not only for workshops, but for the conference as well. This was discussed at length after the Mackinac Island conference in 1994, we cleared $200 and that was because Frank got the Mackinac Island Chamber of Commerce to sponsor a coffee break. We eventually decided that since we are a statewide organization, we need to venture north once in a while, realizing that we will be lucky to break even, and have to accept that we end up with a loss, and make up for that with profits from other conferences. When we have gone north of Mt. Pleasant, we have had decent attendance, however, this was for a conference, where you will get more attendance than a workshop to begin with. Plus the conference is 2 days, people are probably more willing to make the trip for that than a half day workshop. So, while north of Mt. Pleasant might work for a conference, realistically it may not work for a workshop. The level to teach at has always been an issue for the conference workshops - we want to reach out to beginners, but have always had difficulty locating them to begin with, and getting them to attend the conference, most likely because they come from small shops with small budgets. The more successful workshops, in terms of attendance, have been those for a higher level. That's not to say we shouldn't do workshops for beginners, but before we do that, we need to do our homework in terms of topics, finding potential attendees, etc. Just sending to our membership will probably not be enough. Sandy From aa6699 at wayne.edu Wed Jun 27 14:45:04 2007 From: aa6699 at wayne.edu (Sandy Eklund) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:45:04 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Haven't you done this before, had a workshop up there that MAA sponsored? I know you and I have discussed targeting that audience more. In fact, in 2006 we sent conference packets to everyone on that list. I don't think we had any takers, maybe one. Distance seems to be the problem, so your solution is a good one, you plan it, teach it, etc., MAA sponsors it. That way it happens, and they get what they need. Just as we can't expect people from down here to travel up there for 1/2 day, we can't expect them to come from up there for 1/2 day. There's no reason we can't notify members of the workshops up there that are sponsored by MAA, who knows, there may be someone who is planning on going up there, and can work this in. Time of year may be a factor - summer or early fall might attract one or two from down here - work it into a vacation, etc. Sandy Glad to hear you're doing better. I've heard about the leech thing - yuck! On Jun 27, 2007, at 12:46 PM, Robyns, Marcus wrote: > Greetings: > > I have long advocated a regular MAA sponsored workshop for the UP. > Frank is correct, of course, in noting that there are only two of > us up here (myself and Erik Nordberg at MTU. He is also correct in > noting that Erik and I do not allow him to cross the bridge without > prior notice and escort through the region). However, my intended > audience is the small shop owners - historical societies and > museums - scattered around the region. These people desperately > need our help figuring out what to do with the old diaries, > letters, photographes, and, increasingly, electronic records that > come to them. Fortunately, we have a ready made group in the UP > called the "Northland Consortium" that Erik and I, especially Erik > (in fact, he's probably been the driving force keeping the group > together), work with regularly. In fact, Erik and I are planning > to do an all-day workshop on conservation and repair at the > Consortium's fall meeting. MAA has already expressed an interest > in sponsoring the event (I have to get cost info to the board). It > would be great if we could do something like this annually. I > cannot speak for Erik, but I don't need compensation since this > work falls within my "assigned responsibilities" of educational > outreach. > > MAA would do well to recognize that even though the vast majority > of professional archivists are in the "golden triangle" or south of > the Lansing line, most of our archival resources are cared for by > non-professionals (a great many above the Lansing line). MAA > should reach out to these people as a readily available and helpful > resource. > > BTW, I survived my blood clot and a rather harrowing three days at > the Gratiot Community Hospital (Alma) fending off blood letting > demands and leach applications. Gawd, its good to be back in the > civilized UP. . . > > --Marcus > > > > From: maa-l-bounces+mrobyns=nmu.edu at lists.dhal.org on behalf of > Boles, Frank J. > Sent: Wed 6/27/2007 9:35 AM > To: Robert Garrett; maa-l at lists.dhal.org > Subject: Re: [Maa-l] Workshops > > Dear Bob: > > This has been a perennial discussion in MAA. I remember discussing the > same issues in the early 1990s. > > The problem always came down not so much to the schedule but to > finding > instructors who would do the same workshop, again, and again, and > again > (for free and often eating travel expenses as well). The other > endless > issue was not geographic equity (no one thought we should only do > workshops in the "golden triangle defined by Detroit, Lansing, and > Grand > Rapids) but in getting instructors to travel to the "boonies" (as in > places like where I live). > > The number of breathing archivists north of Lansing is a very small > pool > indeed. Many years ago I remember sitting at an MAA meeting with my > then > two other "NOL" (north of Lansing) colleagues. We decided to form the > "northern alliance" which would consist of a president, vp, and > treasurer, with all offices rotated annually among the three of us (a > great vita builder, I might add) and the treasurer bearing the solemn > responsibility of buying the other two guys dinner. Unfortunately the > alliance collapsed since no one would be treasurer first, and I think > those two schmucks in the UP didn't really trust a dumb troll to come > through with dinner when it was my turn. > > The point (besides from never being able to resist a good story) is > that > moving north of Lansing will be tough; with the UP particularly > challenging, unless you can find a way to at least pay travel > expenses. > Even then, other than our two yupper regulars, who's up for a trip to > Escanaba in the winter (which I believe ends in June in Escanaba -- > just > in time for black fly season). > > The other problem is deciding what "level" you are teaching to. Are > these intro workshops for volunteers in the local history > organizations? > Easier to teach but usually of minimal interest to MAA members. Maybe > more advanced topics like copyright? Harder to find instructors and to > get a good sized audience outside of the golden triangle. > > Control is also a sticky issue. If you put the MAA logo on the > workshop > you'd like some sense of the content/quality of the project, but > unless > you develop standardized curriculur packages, well realistically you > can't get control. Basically you pick "good" people to teach and cross > your fingers. Of course "good" people tend to be in short supply, > so do > you just take volunteers and, as Clint Eastwood used to say "feelin' > lucky?" > > There is no right answer to this; just what the organization has the > will and capability of doing at a given time. My advice is to not get > too hung up in planning; just do what you think makes sense and can > get > done in a reasonable time frame and with a reasonable amount of effrt, > then adjust as experience dictates. > > Frank Boles > > -----Original Message----- > From: maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org > [mailto:maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of > Robert Garrett > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:47 PM > To: maa-l at lists.dhal.org > Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops > > I understand that Wed.'s copyright workshop was well received. Lance > Werner and Nick Bozen were the presenters. Everyone who attended > seemed > quite impressed, and that's nice to hear. > > Workshops in general were a topic of discussion in Ann Arbor. The > topic arose at the MAA board meeting and at the breakout session on > the > Harvey challenge. > > The consensus seems to be that MAA should offer more workshops. Right > now, we're working on the mechanics. How many should we offer? Where > should we offer them? Attendance will likely be best in the Southeast > part of the state. Of course, this doesn't mean that the less > populous > areas should be ignored. What's fair? > > Tied to this discussion is a discussion on chapters. Should MAA have > regional "chapters" or section? Would it better to arrange these > chapters by function, such as "Reference" or "Processing?" Should > different chapters discern educational needs - or should MAA's > educational committee oversee such matters? It seems that some > sort of > central authority on workshops may be needed, but how do we best go > about this? > > There were a number of issues here, then, and hopefully, I didn't > "miscommunicate" any of them. In any case, I thought that I'd > throw the > matter out here for discussion. If anyone has any thoughts, then > please > feel free to chime in. > > Bob Garrett > Archives of Michigan > Telephone: (517) 241-1382 > E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov > > Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac > Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your > copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l > > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.dhal.org/pipermail/maa-l/attachments/20070627/e6efab62/attachment.html From aa6699 at wayne.edu Wed Jun 27 14:49:06 2007 From: aa6699 at wayne.edu (Sandy Eklund) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:49:06 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops In-Reply-To: References: <398A5D8A8B8DFF40996755140B799497010AE956@asvr1x.starr.local> Message-ID: <611F827D-64FD-4718-9353-6413CF10E9BA@wayne.edu> When I got into this profession Bill Gulley told me there are two things about archivists - they're cheap and don't like to travel. I think we were going to do a workshop a few years ago on conservation but I can't remember why it didn't happen. Many years ago we did a session on it, and people were disappointed because they didn't get what they wanted - most of their questions were about what do I do with this, and the answer was bring it in and I'll look it over. It seems people are looking for hands-on, what can I do myself, etc. This is probably especially true of small shops. On Jun 27, 2007, at 1:35 PM, Boles, Frank J. wrote: > People love to come to Mt. Pleasant -- we'll just work in a casino > tour! Seriously if you want to do a workshop here we will > facilitate it. > > By the way I can tell you what the survey will say. Preservation (they > all want preservation -- because they don't understand what else they > need), within an hour's drive from the house, and $20 or less ("I'm > paying this out of my own pocket and I'm retired!", both of which > may be > true but still means you've got a pretty minimal budget to work with). > And don't even dream about overnight; isn't going to happen. T > > These are tough criteria to make work. > > Frank > > Ps. Yuppers are different -- they will drive over half the > peninusula to > go to something. Go figure. > > -----Original Message----- > From: maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org > [mailto:maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of > Sandy Eklund > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:08 AM > To: Reimann, Amy > Cc: maa-l at lists.dhal.org > Subject: Re: [Maa-l] Workshops > > I don't know if this will work or not, but maybe do a survey of the > membership, via email for those who have it, snail mail for the > others. Since most have email, this will save time and money over a > snail mail. Also, if you don't get responses, it's easy to ask > again. Ask what topics they would want to see covered in a workshop, > if they want half or all day, where in the state, maybe what would be > the maximum they would be willing to pay, etc. > > Costs - have to pay the instructor(s), and any photocopying needs, > plus any food/beverages. There may or may not be costs if they need > an internet hookup. By doing it at somebody's shop, you can probably > save a lot, as you might not have to pay a room rental fee. > > This may be a good way to get other members involved if they want to > host it, they could work with the board to make sure everything is > covered, etc. > > Since these would be small, it would be easy for the board to handle > registration. It may be possible to do this without having to take > too much funds from MAA. However, a minimum number of attendees have > to be determined, and perhaps the registration fee based on the > minimum to cover costs. > > May want to pick 2 or 3 locations - Grand Rapids for the west side, > perhaps Lansing, CMU in Mt. Pleasant or the Reuther in Detroit for > the others. Geoff is right, most will come from south east MI, but > Mt Pleasant might be a draw for those farther north. It may be > useful to arrange for a discount at a local hotel for anyone who is > staying over. > > BTW, I got a message today from the Bavarian Inn Lodge asking when we > will be coming back to Frankenmuth. That may or may not want to be a > location to consider, depending on costs. It never hurts to keep a > good relationship going, may be more likely to get something out of > them should we have another conference there in the future. I think > their room rental was $100-$150 per room per day, and they would most > likely give us a hotel room discount. > > I would be happy to work on the arrangements part of this if needed. > > Sandy > > > On Jun 27, 2007, at 7:40 AM, Reimann, Amy wrote: > >> The breakout session on Chapters was not well-attended - 4 of us >> to be >> exact and one of those was a spy for MAC in any case (you know who >> you >> are). Matt Daley and I spent some time deciding on holding a >> workshop >> in August or so to get the ball rolling on having them. >> >> There was some other talk about workshops around the conference at >> various times and how good they would be, but lots of questions about >> funding and such that I don't think can be answered until we actually >> have some funding available to help with costs. >> >> I think members want to attend them, I think members want to organize >> them, so we just need to develop the formula that will work best >> and do >> them. >> >> Keep your eyes and ears open for info about a workshop to be held >> in the >> Grand Rapids area later in the summer. >> >> Amy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: maa-l-bounces+reimanna=starr.org at lists.dhal.org >> [mailto:maa-l-bounces+reimanna=starr.org at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of >> Robert Garrett >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:47 PM >> To: maa-l at lists.dhal.org >> Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops >> >> I understand that Wed.'s copyright workshop was well received. Lance >> Werner and Nick Bozen were the presenters. Everyone who attended >> seemed >> quite impressed, and that's nice to hear. >> >> Workshops in general were a topic of discussion in Ann Arbor. The >> topic arose at the MAA board meeting and at the breakout session on >> the >> Harvey challenge. >> >> The consensus seems to be that MAA should offer more workshops. >> Right >> now, we're working on the mechanics. How many should we offer? >> Where >> should we offer them? Attendance will likely be best in the >> Southeast >> part of the state. Of course, this doesn't mean that the less >> populous >> areas should be ignored. What's fair? >> >> Tied to this discussion is a discussion on chapters. Should MAA have >> regional "chapters" or section? Would it better to arrange these >> chapters by function, such as "Reference" or "Processing?" Should >> different chapters discern educational needs - or should MAA's >> educational committee oversee such matters? It seems that some >> sort of >> central authority on workshops may be needed, but how do we best go >> about this? >> >> There were a number of issues here, then, and hopefully, I didn't >> "miscommunicate" any of them. In any case, I thought that I'd >> throw the >> matter out here for discussion. If anyone has any thoughts, then >> please >> feel free to chime in. >> >> Bob Garrett >> Archives of Michigan >> Telephone: (517) 241-1382 >> E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov >> >> Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac >> Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your >> copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maa-l mailing list >> Maa-l at lists.dhal.org >> http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l >> _______________________________________________ >> Maa-l mailing list >> Maa-l at lists.dhal.org >> http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l > > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From boles1fj at cmich.edu Wed Jun 27 15:19:19 2007 From: boles1fj at cmich.edu (Boles, Frank J.) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:19:19 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops In-Reply-To: <611F827D-64FD-4718-9353-6413CF10E9BA@wayne.edu> References: <398A5D8A8B8DFF40996755140B799497010AE956@asvr1x.starr.local> <611F827D-64FD-4718-9353-6413CF10E9BA@wayne.edu> Message-ID: Sandy is certainly right. My experience is that the local history community wants hands-on, I can do it myself in my shop advice. Forget that fancy archival theory stuff (he says with a bit of chagrin.) Frank -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Eklund [mailto:aa6699 at wayne.edu] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 2:49 PM To: Boles, Frank J. Cc: Reimann, Amy; maa-l at lists.dhal.org Subject: Re: [Maa-l] Workshops When I got into this profession Bill Gulley told me there are two things about archivists - they're cheap and don't like to travel. I think we were going to do a workshop a few years ago on conservation but I can't remember why it didn't happen. Many years ago we did a session on it, and people were disappointed because they didn't get what they wanted - most of their questions were about what do I do with this, and the answer was bring it in and I'll look it over. It seems people are looking for hands-on, what can I do myself, etc. This is probably especially true of small shops. On Jun 27, 2007, at 1:35 PM, Boles, Frank J. wrote: > People love to come to Mt. Pleasant -- we'll just work in a casino > tour! Seriously if you want to do a workshop here we will > facilitate it. > > By the way I can tell you what the survey will say. Preservation (they > all want preservation -- because they don't understand what else they > need), within an hour's drive from the house, and $20 or less ("I'm > paying this out of my own pocket and I'm retired!", both of which > may be > true but still means you've got a pretty minimal budget to work with). > And don't even dream about overnight; isn't going to happen. T > > These are tough criteria to make work. > > Frank > > Ps. Yuppers are different -- they will drive over half the > peninusula to > go to something. Go figure. > > -----Original Message----- > From: maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org > [mailto:maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of > Sandy Eklund > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:08 AM > To: Reimann, Amy > Cc: maa-l at lists.dhal.org > Subject: Re: [Maa-l] Workshops > > I don't know if this will work or not, but maybe do a survey of the > membership, via email for those who have it, snail mail for the > others. Since most have email, this will save time and money over a > snail mail. Also, if you don't get responses, it's easy to ask > again. Ask what topics they would want to see covered in a workshop, > if they want half or all day, where in the state, maybe what would be > the maximum they would be willing to pay, etc. > > Costs - have to pay the instructor(s), and any photocopying needs, > plus any food/beverages. There may or may not be costs if they need > an internet hookup. By doing it at somebody's shop, you can probably > save a lot, as you might not have to pay a room rental fee. > > This may be a good way to get other members involved if they want to > host it, they could work with the board to make sure everything is > covered, etc. > > Since these would be small, it would be easy for the board to handle > registration. It may be possible to do this without having to take > too much funds from MAA. However, a minimum number of attendees have > to be determined, and perhaps the registration fee based on the > minimum to cover costs. > > May want to pick 2 or 3 locations - Grand Rapids for the west side, > perhaps Lansing, CMU in Mt. Pleasant or the Reuther in Detroit for > the others. Geoff is right, most will come from south east MI, but > Mt Pleasant might be a draw for those farther north. It may be > useful to arrange for a discount at a local hotel for anyone who is > staying over. > > BTW, I got a message today from the Bavarian Inn Lodge asking when we > will be coming back to Frankenmuth. That may or may not want to be a > location to consider, depending on costs. It never hurts to keep a > good relationship going, may be more likely to get something out of > them should we have another conference there in the future. I think > their room rental was $100-$150 per room per day, and they would most > likely give us a hotel room discount. > > I would be happy to work on the arrangements part of this if needed. > > Sandy > > > On Jun 27, 2007, at 7:40 AM, Reimann, Amy wrote: > >> The breakout session on Chapters was not well-attended - 4 of us >> to be >> exact and one of those was a spy for MAC in any case (you know who >> you >> are). Matt Daley and I spent some time deciding on holding a >> workshop >> in August or so to get the ball rolling on having them. >> >> There was some other talk about workshops around the conference at >> various times and how good they would be, but lots of questions about >> funding and such that I don't think can be answered until we actually >> have some funding available to help with costs. >> >> I think members want to attend them, I think members want to organize >> them, so we just need to develop the formula that will work best >> and do >> them. >> >> Keep your eyes and ears open for info about a workshop to be held >> in the >> Grand Rapids area later in the summer. >> >> Amy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: maa-l-bounces+reimanna=starr.org at lists.dhal.org >> [mailto:maa-l-bounces+reimanna=starr.org at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of >> Robert Garrett >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:47 PM >> To: maa-l at lists.dhal.org >> Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops >> >> I understand that Wed.'s copyright workshop was well received. Lance >> Werner and Nick Bozen were the presenters. Everyone who attended >> seemed >> quite impressed, and that's nice to hear. >> >> Workshops in general were a topic of discussion in Ann Arbor. The >> topic arose at the MAA board meeting and at the breakout session on >> the >> Harvey challenge. >> >> The consensus seems to be that MAA should offer more workshops. >> Right >> now, we're working on the mechanics. How many should we offer? >> Where >> should we offer them? Attendance will likely be best in the >> Southeast >> part of the state. Of course, this doesn't mean that the less >> populous >> areas should be ignored. What's fair? >> >> Tied to this discussion is a discussion on chapters. Should MAA have >> regional "chapters" or section? Would it better to arrange these >> chapters by function, such as "Reference" or "Processing?" Should >> different chapters discern educational needs - or should MAA's >> educational committee oversee such matters? It seems that some >> sort of >> central authority on workshops may be needed, but how do we best go >> about this? >> >> There were a number of issues here, then, and hopefully, I didn't >> "miscommunicate" any of them. In any case, I thought that I'd >> throw the >> matter out here for discussion. If anyone has any thoughts, then >> please >> feel free to chime in. >> >> Bob Garrett >> Archives of Michigan >> Telephone: (517) 241-1382 >> E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov >> >> Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the Mackinac >> Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your >> copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maa-l mailing list >> Maa-l at lists.dhal.org >> http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l >> _______________________________________________ >> Maa-l mailing list >> Maa-l at lists.dhal.org >> http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l > > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From aa6699 at wayne.edu Wed Jun 27 15:34:26 2007 From: aa6699 at wayne.edu (Sandy Eklund) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:34:26 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops In-Reply-To: References: <398A5D8A8B8DFF40996755140B799497010AE956@asvr1x.starr.local> <611F827D-64FD-4718-9353-6413CF10E9BA@wayne.edu> Message-ID: And then there are those of us, like me, who work on our own. It's helpful for me to know what to do, how to do it, etc. I'm fortunate in that I keep in contact with people and can email them for conservation, preservation, and processing questions. But, the person who's in the small shop who doesn't know anyone, what do they do? Is there a need for some kind of something or other on line just for people who are alone or in a small shop to ask a question, and have more experienced archivists monitor the questions and provide answers? People in this situation may be reluctant to ask a question on our list serve since they know there are more experienced archivists on it, and would feel more comfortable asking an "expert" but knowing that everyone else on the list might be in the same situation, have the same questions, etc. Sandy On Jun 27, 2007, at 3:19 PM, Boles, Frank J. wrote: > Sandy is certainly right. My experience is that the local history > community wants hands-on, I can do it myself in my shop advice. > Forget > that fancy archival theory stuff (he says with a bit of chagrin.) > > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sandy Eklund [mailto:aa6699 at wayne.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 2:49 PM > To: Boles, Frank J. > Cc: Reimann, Amy; maa-l at lists.dhal.org > Subject: Re: [Maa-l] Workshops > > When I got into this profession Bill Gulley told me there are two > things about archivists - they're cheap and don't like to travel. I > think we were going to do a workshop a few years ago on conservation > but I can't remember why it didn't happen. Many years ago we did a > session on it, and people were disappointed because they didn't get > what they wanted - most of their questions were about what do I do > with this, and the answer was bring it in and I'll look it over. It > seems people are looking for hands-on, what can I do myself, etc. > This is probably especially true of small shops. > > > On Jun 27, 2007, at 1:35 PM, Boles, Frank J. wrote: > >> People love to come to Mt. Pleasant -- we'll just work in a casino >> tour! Seriously if you want to do a workshop here we will >> facilitate it. >> >> By the way I can tell you what the survey will say. Preservation >> (they >> all want preservation -- because they don't understand what else they >> need), within an hour's drive from the house, and $20 or less ("I'm >> paying this out of my own pocket and I'm retired!", both of which >> may be >> true but still means you've got a pretty minimal budget to work >> with). >> And don't even dream about overnight; isn't going to happen. T >> >> These are tough criteria to make work. >> >> Frank >> >> Ps. Yuppers are different -- they will drive over half the >> peninusula to >> go to something. Go figure. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org >> [mailto:maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of >> Sandy Eklund >> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:08 AM >> To: Reimann, Amy >> Cc: maa-l at lists.dhal.org >> Subject: Re: [Maa-l] Workshops >> >> I don't know if this will work or not, but maybe do a survey of the >> membership, via email for those who have it, snail mail for the >> others. Since most have email, this will save time and money over a >> snail mail. Also, if you don't get responses, it's easy to ask >> again. Ask what topics they would want to see covered in a workshop, >> if they want half or all day, where in the state, maybe what would be >> the maximum they would be willing to pay, etc. >> >> Costs - have to pay the instructor(s), and any photocopying needs, >> plus any food/beverages. There may or may not be costs if they need >> an internet hookup. By doing it at somebody's shop, you can probably >> save a lot, as you might not have to pay a room rental fee. >> >> This may be a good way to get other members involved if they want to >> host it, they could work with the board to make sure everything is >> covered, etc. >> >> Since these would be small, it would be easy for the board to handle >> registration. It may be possible to do this without having to take >> too much funds from MAA. However, a minimum number of attendees have >> to be determined, and perhaps the registration fee based on the >> minimum to cover costs. >> >> May want to pick 2 or 3 locations - Grand Rapids for the west side, >> perhaps Lansing, CMU in Mt. Pleasant or the Reuther in Detroit for >> the others. Geoff is right, most will come from south east MI, but >> Mt Pleasant might be a draw for those farther north. It may be >> useful to arrange for a discount at a local hotel for anyone who is >> staying over. >> >> BTW, I got a message today from the Bavarian Inn Lodge asking when we >> will be coming back to Frankenmuth. That may or may not want to be a >> location to consider, depending on costs. It never hurts to keep a >> good relationship going, may be more likely to get something out of >> them should we have another conference there in the future. I think >> their room rental was $100-$150 per room per day, and they would most >> likely give us a hotel room discount. >> >> I would be happy to work on the arrangements part of this if needed. >> >> Sandy >> >> >> On Jun 27, 2007, at 7:40 AM, Reimann, Amy wrote: >> >>> The breakout session on Chapters was not well-attended - 4 of us >>> to be >>> exact and one of those was a spy for MAC in any case (you know who >>> you >>> are). Matt Daley and I spent some time deciding on holding a >>> workshop >>> in August or so to get the ball rolling on having them. >>> >>> There was some other talk about workshops around the conference at >>> various times and how good they would be, but lots of questions >>> about >>> funding and such that I don't think can be answered until we >>> actually >>> have some funding available to help with costs. >>> >>> I think members want to attend them, I think members want to >>> organize >>> them, so we just need to develop the formula that will work best >>> and do >>> them. >>> >>> Keep your eyes and ears open for info about a workshop to be held >>> in the >>> Grand Rapids area later in the summer. >>> >>> Amy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: maa-l-bounces+reimanna=starr.org at lists.dhal.org >>> [mailto:maa-l-bounces+reimanna=starr.org at lists.dhal.org] On >>> Behalf Of >>> Robert Garrett >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:47 PM >>> To: maa-l at lists.dhal.org >>> Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops >>> >>> I understand that Wed.'s copyright workshop was well received. >>> Lance >>> Werner and Nick Bozen were the presenters. Everyone who attended >>> seemed >>> quite impressed, and that's nice to hear. >>> >>> Workshops in general were a topic of discussion in Ann Arbor. The >>> topic arose at the MAA board meeting and at the breakout session on >>> the >>> Harvey challenge. >>> >>> The consensus seems to be that MAA should offer more workshops. >>> Right >>> now, we're working on the mechanics. How many should we offer? >>> Where >>> should we offer them? Attendance will likely be best in the >>> Southeast >>> part of the state. Of course, this doesn't mean that the less >>> populous >>> areas should be ignored. What's fair? >>> >>> Tied to this discussion is a discussion on chapters. Should MAA >>> have >>> regional "chapters" or section? Would it better to arrange these >>> chapters by function, such as "Reference" or "Processing?" Should >>> different chapters discern educational needs - or should MAA's >>> educational committee oversee such matters? It seems that some >>> sort of >>> central authority on workshops may be needed, but how do we best go >>> about this? >>> >>> There were a number of issues here, then, and hopefully, I didn't >>> "miscommunicate" any of them. In any case, I thought that I'd >>> throw the >>> matter out here for discussion. If anyone has any thoughts, then >>> please >>> feel free to chime in. >>> >>> Bob Garrett >>> Archives of Michigan >>> Telephone: (517) 241-1382 >>> E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov >>> >>> Michigan History pays tribute to the 50th anniversary of the >>> Mackinac >>> Bridge with a special issue. Subscribe by July 1 to guarantee your >>> copy, and discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Maa-l mailing list >>> Maa-l at lists.dhal.org >>> http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Maa-l mailing list >>> Maa-l at lists.dhal.org >>> http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maa-l mailing list >> Maa-l at lists.dhal.org >> http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l > From sharon.carlson at wmich.edu Wed Jun 27 18:38:00 2007 From: sharon.carlson at wmich.edu (Sharon Carlson) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:38:00 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops/MAA Local Chapters In-Reply-To: <000401c7b8e0$7a5a6cc0$78c10a23@D5JF6921> References: <000401c7b8e0$7a5a6cc0$78c10a23@D5JF6921> Message-ID: <4682AE88.9DD7.007B.0@groupwise.wmich.edu> Whitney's idea about getting associated and interested people has worked well in Kalamazoo. We have a very informal group called the Public History Roundtable. We get together for lunch once a month from September through May. There are no officers, no minutes, and we don't try and bring too much business into the meetings. We have been approached by vendors but we don't allow it. Sharon Sharon Carlson, Ph.D. Director, Archives and Regional History Collections Western Michigan University Kalamazoo, MI 49008-5307 (269) 387-8496 From woodchuckalpha1 at aol.com Wed Jun 27 18:59:58 2007 From: woodchuckalpha1 at aol.com (Robin Kennedy) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:59:58 -0500 Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2e4d6243581dfcecf15dc1ee36ebddd2@aol.com> Hellooooo! I may not be a certified archivist, but I DO free-lance teaching and doing archival preservation across the central and western UP. I have also been involved with the Northland Consortium in the past, but due to educational and work responsibilities over the last couple of years, I have not participated as much as I would have liked. And it is with these "non-professionals" that I work the most, from historical societies to church groups. And don't forget Elizabeth Delene, who is also in Marquette. Yes, a post-meeting presentation would be appreciated since I was unable to attend this year. In fact, I would be willing to do a workshop regarding free-lancing some time if there is enough interest. Regards, Robin Kennedy On Jun 27, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Robyns, Marcus wrote: > Greetings: > ? > I have long advocated a regular MAA sponsored workshop for the UP.? > Frank is correct, of course, in noting that there are only two of us > up here (myself and Erik Nordberg at MTU.? He is also correct in > noting that Erik and I do not allow him to cross the bridge without > prior notice and escort through the region).? However, my intended > audience?is?the small shop owners - historical societies and museums - > scattered around the region.? These people desperately need our help > figuring out what to do with the old diaries, letters, photographes, > and, increasingly, electronic records that come to them.? Fortunately, > we have a ready made group in the UP called the "Northland Consortium" > that Erik and I, especially Erik (in fact, he's probably been the > driving force keeping the group together), work with regularly.? In > fact, Erik and I are planning to do an all-day workshop on > conservation and repair at the Consortium's fall meeting.? MAA has > already expressed an interest in sponsoring the event (I have to get > cost info to the board).? It would be great if we could do something > like this annually.? I cannot speak for Erik, but I don't need > compensation since this work falls within my "assigned > responsibilities" of educational outreach.? > ? > MAA would do well to recognize that even though the vast majority of > professional archivists are in the "golden triangle" or south of the > Lansing line, most of our archival resources are cared for by > non-professionals (a great many above the Lansing line).? MAA should > reach out to these people as a readily available and helpful > resource.? > ? > BTW, I survived my blood clot and a rather harrowing three days at the > Gratiot Community Hospital (Alma) fending off blood letting demands > and leach applications.? Gawd, its good to be back in the civilized > UP. . . > ? > --Marcus > ? > ? > ? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3000 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.dhal.org/pipermail/maa-l/attachments/20070627/3e4cb02f/attachment-0001.bin From jmyler at ford.com Thu Jun 28 08:56:18 2007 From: jmyler at ford.com (Myler, Jamie (J.)) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:56:18 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Workshops In-Reply-To: References: <398A5D8A8B8DFF40996755140B799497010AE956@asvr1x.starr.local><611F827D-64FD-4718-9353-6413CF10E9BA@wayne.edu> Message-ID: <9FCF0B850D70E14984FE2A0B054E41FF02E3E91B@na1fcm13.dearborn.ford.com> There may be a couple solutions for the problem of people not wanting to travel long distances for a half-day workshop: 1) We could try longer more in-depth workshops. One way to do that would be to have people bring their examples of "what do I do with this?", so the instructor can answer those questions for them. If the workshop was a full day to two days long, those types of questions/problems can be worked on in a hands-on atmosphere. Which may give people the incentive to travel further. This would certainly be easier with conservation/processing workshops. 2) We could try telephone/video conferencing for the workshops. Now, before everyone starts screaming that the small shops don't have this capability, we could certainly find one location per region that has the capability and have those people sign up for that location. Then the instructor can be anywhere in the state and teach people from the other regions in the state. My guess is that there would be at least one university/archives/public library in just about every region that would have some kind of telephone/video conferencing capability that we could reserve. I belong to a local support group and as a non-profit we reserve conference rooms at different public libraries all the time for our meetings. Just some thoughts. Jamie -----Original Message----- From: maa-l-bounces+jmyler=ford.com at lists.dhal.org [mailto:maa-l-bounces+jmyler=ford.com at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Eklund Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 3:34 PM To: Boles, Frank J. Cc: maa-l at lists.dhal.org; Reimann, Amy Subject: Re: [Maa-l] Workshops And then there are those of us, like me, who work on our own. It's helpful for me to know what to do, how to do it, etc. I'm fortunate in that I keep in contact with people and can email them for conservation, preservation, and processing questions. But, the person who's in the small shop who doesn't know anyone, what do they do? Is there a need for some kind of something or other on line just for people who are alone or in a small shop to ask a question, and have more experienced archivists monitor the questions and provide answers? People in this situation may be reluctant to ask a question on our list serve since they know there are more experienced archivists on it, and would feel more comfortable asking an "expert" but knowing that everyone else on the list might be in the same situation, have the same questions, etc. Sandy On Jun 27, 2007, at 3:19 PM, Boles, Frank J. wrote: > Sandy is certainly right. My experience is that the local history > community wants hands-on, I can do it myself in my shop advice. > Forget > that fancy archival theory stuff (he says with a bit of chagrin.) > > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sandy Eklund [mailto:aa6699 at wayne.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 2:49 PM > To: Boles, Frank J. > Cc: Reimann, Amy; maa-l at lists.dhal.org > Subject: Re: [Maa-l] Workshops > > When I got into this profession Bill Gulley told me there are two > things about archivists - they're cheap and don't like to travel. I > think we were going to do a workshop a few years ago on conservation > but I can't remember why it didn't happen. Many years ago we did a > session on it, and people were disappointed because they didn't get > what they wanted - most of their questions were about what do I do > with this, and the answer was bring it in and I'll look it over. It > seems people are looking for hands-on, what can I do myself, etc. > This is probably especially true of small shops. > > > On Jun 27, 2007, at 1:35 PM, Boles, Frank J. wrote: > >> People love to come to Mt. Pleasant -- we'll just work in a casino >> tour! Seriously if you want to do a workshop here we will >> facilitate it. >> >> By the way I can tell you what the survey will say. Preservation >> (they >> all want preservation -- because they don't understand what else they >> need), within an hour's drive from the house, and $20 or less ("I'm >> paying this out of my own pocket and I'm retired!", both of which >> may be >> true but still means you've got a pretty minimal budget to work >> with). >> And don't even dream about overnight; isn't going to happen. T >> >> These are tough criteria to make work. >> >> Frank >> >> Ps. Yuppers are different -- they will drive over half the >> peninusula to >> go to something. Go figure. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org >> [mailto:maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of >> Sandy Eklund >> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:08 AM >> To: Reimann, Amy >> Cc: maa-l at lists.dhal.org >> Subject: Re: [Maa-l] Workshops >> >> I don't know if this will work or not, but maybe do a survey of the >> membership, via email for those who have it, snail mail for the >> others. Since most have email, this will save time and money over a >> snail mail. Also, if you don't get responses, it's easy to ask >> again. Ask what topics they would want to see covered in a workshop, >> if they want half or all day, where in the state, maybe what would be >> the maximum they would be willing to pay, etc. >> >> Costs - have to pay the instructor(s), and any photocopying needs, >> plus any food/beverages. There may or may not be costs if they need >> an internet hookup. By doing it at somebody's shop, you can probably >> save a lot, as you might not have to pay a room rental fee. >> >> This may be a good way to get other members involved if they want to >> host it, they could work with the board to make sure everything is >> covered, etc. >> >> Since these would be small, it would be easy for the board to handle >> registration. It may be possible to do this without having to take >> too much funds from MAA. However, a minimum number of attendees have >> to be determined, and perhaps the registration fee based on the >> minimum to cover costs. >> >> May want to pick 2 or 3 locations - Grand Rapids for the west side, >> perhaps Lansing, CMU in Mt. Pleasant or the Reuther in Detroit for >> the others. Geoff is right, most will come from south east MI, but >> Mt Pleasant might be a draw for those farther north. It may be >> useful to arrange for a discount at a local hotel for anyone who is >> staying over. >> >> BTW, I got a message today from the Bavarian Inn Lodge asking whe