From GarrettR1 at michigan.gov Thu Jul 5 15:09:59 2007 From: GarrettR1 at michigan.gov (Robert Garrett) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:09:59 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Archives of Michigan July Image Message-ID: The Mackinac Bridge turns fifty! The Archives of Michigan's July image marks the occassion: http://www.michigan.gov/hal/0,1607,7-160-17445_19273_19313-171319--,00.html Later this month, the Michigan Oral History Association will be conducting oral history interviews with Mackinac Bridge workers. These will be held in St. Ignace during the Mackinac Bridge 50th Anniversary Celebration, July 26-28th. (I will be participating as both an Archives of Michigan staff member and a MOHA member.) The recorded interviews - and resulting transcriptions - will be permanently placed in the Archives of Michigan. For more details on this oral history project, see this link: http://www.michiganoha.org/projects.html Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. From GarrettR1 at michigan.gov Thu Jul 5 15:41:47 2007 From: GarrettR1 at michigan.gov (Robert Garrett) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:41:47 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] The Mystery Spot Message-ID: Every year, I drive to Wisconsin through the U.P. On every trip, I drove right past the Mystery Spot in St. Ignace. This year, I decided to stop. I had heard that visitors to the Spot could walk up walls and see water run uphill and gravity do otherwise wonky things. I paid my $7.00 and marveled at such seemingly inexplicable wonders. Of course, I figured that there was SOME scientific explanation for all this. A quick bit of googling turned it up. The scientific explanation is...(Surprise!) it's all a con! Everything happens in these small rooms in a small house built up a slope. Because the house is built up a slope, visitors don't realize how tilted it actually is. From there everything (water running uphill, etc.) is an optical illusion. For more details you can read this site: http://www.sandlotscience.com/MysterySpots/Mystery_Spots_1.htm ..and this one: http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/1998/0909/spot.html Can you believe it? Those fiendish, conniving Yoopers bilked this poor, unsuspecting troll of seven hard earned dollars. By God, I'll never trust a shifty-eyed Northerner again! On the plus side, I guess I can now say that I've been to the Mystery Spot. It was entertaining in the same way that a magic act can be entertaining, I guess. Maybe it doesn't matter that it's all sleight of hand. Has anyone else been to the Mystery Spot? Anyone fooled by the illusion? (I know this isn't archives-related, per se, but I'm just generally curious...plus I want to complain about shifty-eyed Northerners. : ) ) Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. From mrobyns at nmu.edu Thu Jul 5 16:29:12 2007 From: mrobyns at nmu.edu (Robyns, Marcus) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:29:12 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] The Mystery Spot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We Yoopers simply know how to profit from gullible and big-head trolls. Why do you think Frank assiduously avoids crossing the bridge? Marcus C. Robyns, CA Associate Professor / University Archivist Northern Michigan University mrobyns at nmu.edu 906.227.1046 FAX 906.227.1333 -----Original Message----- From: maa-l-bounces+mrobyns=nmu.edu at lists.dhal.org [mailto:maa-l-bounces+mrobyns=nmu.edu at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of Robert Garrett Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:42 PM To: maa-l at lists.dhal.org Subject: [Maa-l] The Mystery Spot Every year, I drive to Wisconsin through the U.P. On every trip, I drove right past the Mystery Spot in St. Ignace. This year, I decided to stop. I had heard that visitors to the Spot could walk up walls and see water run uphill and gravity do otherwise wonky things. I paid my $7.00 and marveled at such seemingly inexplicable wonders. Of course, I figured that there was SOME scientific explanation for all this. A quick bit of googling turned it up. The scientific explanation is...(Surprise!) it's all a con! Everything happens in these small rooms in a small house built up a slope. Because the house is built up a slope, visitors don't realize how tilted it actually is. From there everything (water running uphill, etc.) is an optical illusion. For more details you can read this site: http://www.sandlotscience.com/MysterySpots/Mystery_Spots_1.htm ..and this one: http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/1998/0909/spot.html Can you believe it? Those fiendish, conniving Yoopers bilked this poor, unsuspecting troll of seven hard earned dollars. By God, I'll never trust a shifty-eyed Northerner again! On the plus side, I guess I can now say that I've been to the Mystery Spot. It was entertaining in the same way that a magic act can be entertaining, I guess. Maybe it doesn't matter that it's all sleight of hand. Has anyone else been to the Mystery Spot? Anyone fooled by the illusion? (I know this isn't archives-related, per se, but I'm just generally curious...plus I want to complain about shifty-eyed Northerners. : ) ) Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From aa6699 at wayne.edu Thu Jul 5 16:35:04 2007 From: aa6699 at wayne.edu (Sandy Eklund) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:35:04 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] The Mystery Spot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C1478AC-8B87-40ED-B48C-A2DB40C6D4CC@wayne.edu> Dan took the kids last summer, they thought it was great, but they were 7 and 11. I had learned long ago from my cousin and his wife (he went to school at Mich. Tech.) that it was a hoax, so I went shopping instead. Now, what about Sea Shell City? Anybody been there? Now that they have that big boat out in front that kids can climb on, that's one of my kid's favorite places to stop. It's upgraded a bit over the years. They don't have of those little out houses you open and the guy spins around, looking like he's ready to pee. Now they sell mocassins. And, I will admit it, I've purchased things there, a lot of shells that I am now using to decorate my bathroom. And Alex picked out some things, that are pretty decent, for his room (nautical theme). But we also have to admit that us trolls have Deer Acres. Avoid it at all costs! Sandy On Jul 5, 2007, at 3:41 PM, Robert Garrett wrote: > Every year, I drive to Wisconsin through the U.P. On every trip, I > drove right past the Mystery Spot in St. Ignace. This year, I decided > to stop. I had heard that visitors to the Spot could walk up walls > and > see water run uphill and gravity do otherwise wonky things. I paid my > $7.00 and marveled at such seemingly inexplicable wonders. > > Of course, I figured that there was SOME scientific explanation for > all > this. A quick bit of googling turned it up. The scientific > explanation > is...(Surprise!) it's all a con! Everything happens in these small > rooms in a small house built up a slope. Because the house is > built up > a slope, visitors don't realize how tilted it actually is. From there > everything (water running uphill, etc.) is an optical illusion. For > more details you can read this site: > http://www.sandlotscience.com/MysterySpots/Mystery_Spots_1.htm > > ..and this one: > http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/1998/0909/spot.html > > > Can you believe it? Those fiendish, conniving Yoopers bilked this > poor, unsuspecting troll of seven hard earned dollars. By God, I'll > never trust a shifty-eyed Northerner again! > > On the plus side, I guess I can now say that I've been to the Mystery > Spot. It was entertaining in the same way that a magic act can be > entertaining, I guess. Maybe it doesn't matter that it's all > sleight of > hand. > > Has anyone else been to the Mystery Spot? Anyone fooled by the > illusion? (I know this isn't archives-related, per se, but I'm just > generally curious...plus I want to complain about shifty-eyed > Northerners. : ) ) > > Bob Garrett > Archives of Michigan > Telephone: (517) 241-1382 > E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov > > Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you > discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From enordber at mtu.edu Thu Jul 5 17:00:20 2007 From: enordber at mtu.edu (Erik Nordberg) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Maa-l] The Mystery Spot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1263.141.219.44.145.1183669220.squirrel@huskymail.mtu.edu> >>Can you believe it? Those fiendish, conniving Yoopers bilked this >>poor, unsuspecting troll of seven hard earned dollars. By God, I'll >>never trust a shifty-eyed Northerner again! I realize that this was intended to provoke a reaction... but I guess all I can say is that you get what you pay for. You may want to skip Disney World, too. From jgibson at detroit.lib.mi.us Thu Jul 5 17:25:49 2007 From: jgibson at detroit.lib.mi.us (jgibson at detroit.lib.mi.us) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:25:49 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] The Mystery Spot Message-ID: Bob: Aren't you a graduate of the University of Wisconsin? Aren't you an accomplished Euchre player?? How could you be so easily parted with $7 dollars for such a waste of time??? My family has driven past that tourist rip off for years and never stopped. My dad always said, the only mystery to him was why anyone in their right mind would ever stop and pay money to see the "Mystery Spot." I suggest you draw a lesson from your bitter experience and resolve never again to succumb to such idiocy lest you wake up some day and find yourself loaded down with worthless novelties and an empty wallet, after vainly searching south of the Bridge for the "Man Eating Clam" at "Sea Shell City." Regards, John Gibson -----maa-l-bounces+jgibson=detroit.lib.mi.us at lists.dhal.org wrote: ----- To: From: "Robert Garrett" Sent by: maa-l-bounces+jgibson=detroit.lib.mi.us at lists.dhal.org Date: 07/05/2007 03:41PM Subject: [Maa-l] The Mystery Spot Every year, I drive to Wisconsin through the U.P. On every trip, I drove right past the Mystery Spot in St. Ignace. This year, I decided to stop. I had heard that visitors to the Spot could walk up walls and see water run uphill and gravity do otherwise wonky things. I paid my $7.00 and marveled at such seemingly inexplicable wonders. Of course, I figured that there was SOME scientific explanation for all this. A quick bit of googling turned it up. The scientific explanation is...(Surprise!) it's all a con! Everything happens in these small rooms in a small house built up a slope. Because the house is built up a slope, visitors don't realize how tilted it actually is. From there everything (water running uphill, etc.) is an optical illusion. For more details you can read this site: http://www.sandlotscience.com/MysterySpots/Mystery_Spots_1.htm ..and this one: http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/1998/0909/spot.html Can you believe it? Those fiendish, conniving Yoopers bilked this poor, unsuspecting troll of seven hard earned dollars. By God, I'll never trust a shifty-eyed Northerner again! On the plus side, I guess I can now say that I've been to the Mystery Spot. It was entertaining in the same way that a magic act can be entertaining, I guess. Maybe it doesn't matter that it's all sleight of hand. Has anyone else been to the Mystery Spot? Anyone fooled by the illusion? (I know this isn't archives-related, per se, but I'm just generally curious...plus I want to complain about shifty-eyed Northerners. : ) ) Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.dhal.org/pipermail/maa-l/attachments/20070705/237c4a28/attachment.html From aa6699 at wayne.edu Thu Jul 5 18:12:23 2007 From: aa6699 at wayne.edu (Sandy Eklund) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:12:23 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] The Mystery Spot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3CB80DBD-2482-4362-9E7C-4111CB91C5CB@wayne.edu> Ah, like most people, you read the sign wrong, it's the Giant Man Killing Clam, not eating. Only thing I can figure is that it fell on someone. Everyone just assumes it ate a man. Notice it says MAN killing, guess women know better than to get near a giant clam:) Sandy > I suggest you draw a lesson from your bitter experience and > resolve never again to succumb to such idiocy lest you wake up some > day and find yourself loaded down with worthless novelties and an > empty wallet, after vainly searching south of the Bridge for the > "Man Eating Clam" at "Sea Shell City." > Regards, > John Gibson > > > -----maa-l-bounces+jgibson=detroit.lib.mi.us at lists.dhal.org wrote: > ----- > > To: > From: "Robert Garrett" > Sent by: maa-l-bounces+jgibson=detroit.lib.mi.us at lists.dhal.org > Date: 07/05/2007 03:41PM > Subject: [Maa-l] The Mystery Spot > > Every year, I drive to Wisconsin through the U.P. On every trip, I > drove right past the Mystery Spot in St. Ignace. This year, I decided > to stop. I had heard that visitors to the Spot could walk up walls > and > see water run uphill and gravity do otherwise wonky things. I paid my > $7.00 and marveled at such seemingly inexplicable wonders. > > Of course, I figured that there was SOME scientific explanation for > all > this. A quick bit of googling turned it up. The scientific > explanation > is...(Surprise!) it's all a con! Everything happens in these small > rooms in a small house built up a slope. Because the house is > built up > a slope, visitors don't realize how tilted it actually is. >From > there > everything (water running uphill, etc.) is an optical illusion. For > more details you can read this site: > http://www.sandlotscience.com/MysterySpots/Mystery_Spots_1.htm > > ..and this one: > http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/1998/0909/spot.html > > > Can you believe it? Those fiendish, conniving Yoopers bilked this > poor, unsuspecting troll of seven hard earned dollars. By God, I'll > never trust a shifty-eyed Northerner again! > > On the plus side, I guess I can now say that I've been to the Mystery > Spot. It was entertaining in the same way that a magic act can be > entertaining, I guess. Maybe it doesn't matter that it's all > sleight of > hand. > > Has anyone else been to the Mystery Spot? Anyone fooled by the > illusion? (I know this isn't archives-related, per se, but I'm just > generally curious...plus I want to complain about shifty-eyed > Northerners. : ) ) > > Bob Garrett > Archives of Michigan > Telephone: (517) 241-1382 > E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov > > Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you > discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l > > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.dhal.org/pipermail/maa-l/attachments/20070705/ea9cafc7/attachment-0001.html From aflowers at umich.edu Thu Jul 5 18:29:05 2007 From: aflowers at umich.edu (ANN ELIZABETH FLOWERS) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Maa-l] The Mystery Spot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, I've been to that Mystery Spot - and the one in the Irish Hills! They're hokey but fun. I went as a child and I took my kids when they were old enough - they liked it, too. Our all-time favorite tourist trap - ahem, attraction - is the Call of the Wild Museum in Gaylord. My family used to stop there every summer on our way north and I've carried on the tradition with my kids. They love it! My oldest son even stopped there when he and some friends went up north on their own. Can't wait to take the grandchildren... ************************************ Ann Flowers, Associate Archivist University of Michigan Bentley Historical Library 1150 Beal Ave. Ann Arbor, MI 48109 Telephone: (734)764-3482 Fax: (734)936-1333 E-mail: aflowers at umich.edu ************************************* On Thu, 5 Jul 2007, Robert Garrett wrote: > Every year, I drive to Wisconsin through the U.P. On every trip, I > drove right past the Mystery Spot in St. Ignace. This year, I decided > to stop. I had heard that visitors to the Spot could walk up walls and > see water run uphill and gravity do otherwise wonky things. I paid my > $7.00 and marveled at such seemingly inexplicable wonders. > > Of course, I figured that there was SOME scientific explanation for all > this. A quick bit of googling turned it up. The scientific explanation > is...(Surprise!) it's all a con! Everything happens in these small > rooms in a small house built up a slope. Because the house is built up > a slope, visitors don't realize how tilted it actually is. From there > everything (water running uphill, etc.) is an optical illusion. For > more details you can read this site: > http://www.sandlotscience.com/MysterySpots/Mystery_Spots_1.htm > > ..and this one: > http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/1998/0909/spot.html > > > Can you believe it? Those fiendish, conniving Yoopers bilked this > poor, unsuspecting troll of seven hard earned dollars. By God, I'll > never trust a shifty-eyed Northerner again! > > On the plus side, I guess I can now say that I've been to the Mystery > Spot. It was entertaining in the same way that a magic act can be > entertaining, I guess. Maybe it doesn't matter that it's all sleight of > hand. > > Has anyone else been to the Mystery Spot? Anyone fooled by the > illusion? (I know this isn't archives-related, per se, but I'm just > generally curious...plus I want to complain about shifty-eyed > Northerners. : ) ) > > Bob Garrett > Archives of Michigan > Telephone: (517) 241-1382 > E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov > > Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you > discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l > > > From WojcikC at michigan.gov Thu Jul 5 18:46:37 2007 From: WojcikC at michigan.gov (Caryn Wojcik) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:46:37 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Maa-l Digest, Vol 13, Issue 1 (Out of Office) Message-ID: I will be out of the office July 4 - 6. I will respond to your message when I return on July 9. Have a good day. >>> maa-l 07/05/07 18:15 >>> Send Maa-l mailing list submissions to maa-l at lists.dhal.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to maa-l-request at lists.dhal.org You can reach the person managing the list at maa-l-owner at lists.dhal.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Maa-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Archives of Michigan July Image (Robert Garrett) 2. The Mystery Spot (Robert Garrett) 3. Re: The Mystery Spot (Robyns, Marcus) 4. Re: The Mystery Spot (Sandy Eklund) 5. Re: The Mystery Spot (Erik Nordberg) 6. Re: The Mystery Spot (jgibson at detroit.lib.mi.us) 7. Re: The Mystery Spot (Sandy Eklund) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:09:59 -0400 From: "Robert Garrett" Subject: [Maa-l] Archives of Michigan July Image To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII The Mackinac Bridge turns fifty! The Archives of Michigan's July image marks the occassion: http://www.michigan.gov/hal/0,1607,7-160-17445_19273_19313-171319--,00.html Later this month, the Michigan Oral History Association will be conducting oral history interviews with Mackinac Bridge workers. These will be held in St. Ignace during the Mackinac Bridge 50th Anniversary Celebration, July 26-28th. (I will be participating as both an Archives of Michigan staff member and a MOHA member.) The recorded interviews - and resulting transcriptions - will be permanently placed in the Archives of Michigan. For more details on this oral history project, see this link: http://www.michiganoha.org/projects.html Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:41:47 -0400 From: "Robert Garrett" Subject: [Maa-l] The Mystery Spot To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Every year, I drive to Wisconsin through the U.P. On every trip, I drove right past the Mystery Spot in St. Ignace. This year, I decided to stop. I had heard that visitors to the Spot could walk up walls and see water run uphill and gravity do otherwise wonky things. I paid my $7.00 and marveled at such seemingly inexplicable wonders. Of course, I figured that there was SOME scientific explanation for all this. A quick bit of googling turned it up. The scientific explanation is...(Surprise!) it's all a con! Everything happens in these small rooms in a small house built up a slope. Because the house is built up a slope, visitors don't realize how tilted it actually is. From there everything (water running uphill, etc.) is an optical illusion. For more details you can read this site: http://www.sandlotscience.com/MysterySpots/Mystery_Spots_1.htm ..and this one: http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/1998/0909/spot.html Can you believe it? Those fiendish, conniving Yoopers bilked this poor, unsuspecting troll of seven hard earned dollars. By God, I'll never trust a shifty-eyed Northerner again! On the plus side, I guess I can now say that I've been to the Mystery Spot. It was entertaining in the same way that a magic act can be entertaining, I guess. Maybe it doesn't matter that it's all sleight of hand. Has anyone else been to the Mystery Spot? Anyone fooled by the illusion? (I know this isn't archives-related, per se, but I'm just generally curious...plus I want to complain about shifty-eyed Northerners. : ) ) Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:29:12 -0400 From: "Robyns, Marcus" Subject: Re: [Maa-l] The Mystery Spot To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" We Yoopers simply know how to profit from gullible and big-head trolls. Why do you think Frank assiduously avoids crossing the bridge? Marcus C. Robyns, CA Associate Professor / University Archivist Northern Michigan University mrobyns at nmu.edu 906.227.1046 FAX 906.227.1333 -----Original Message----- From: maa-l-bounces+mrobyns=nmu.edu at lists.dhal.org [mailto:maa-l-bounces+mrobyns=nmu.edu at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of Robert Garrett Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:42 PM To: maa-l at lists.dhal.org Subject: [Maa-l] The Mystery Spot Every year, I drive to Wisconsin through the U.P. On every trip, I drove right past the Mystery Spot in St. Ignace. This year, I decided to stop. I had heard that visitors to the Spot could walk up walls and see water run uphill and gravity do otherwise wonky things. I paid my $7.00 and marveled at such seemingly inexplicable wonders. Of course, I figured that there was SOME scientific explanation for all this. A quick bit of googling turned it up. The scientific explanation is...(Surprise!) it's all a con! Everything happens in these small rooms in a small house built up a slope. Because the house is built up a slope, visitors don't realize how tilted it actually is. From there everything (water running uphill, etc.) is an optical illusion. For more details you can read this site: http://www.sandlotscience.com/MysterySpots/Mystery_Spots_1.htm ..and this one: http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/1998/0909/spot.html Can you believe it? Those fiendish, conniving Yoopers bilked this poor, unsuspecting troll of seven hard earned dollars. By God, I'll never trust a shifty-eyed Northerner again! On the plus side, I guess I can now say that I've been to the Mystery Spot. It was entertaining in the same way that a magic act can be entertaining, I guess. Maybe it doesn't matter that it's all sleight of hand. Has anyone else been to the Mystery Spot? Anyone fooled by the illusion? (I know this isn't archives-related, per se, but I'm just generally curious...plus I want to complain about shifty-eyed Northerners. : ) ) Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:35:04 -0400 From: Sandy Eklund Subject: Re: [Maa-l] The Mystery Spot To: "Robert Garrett" Cc: maa-l at lists.dhal.org Message-ID: <9C1478AC-8B87-40ED-B48C-A2DB40C6D4CC at wayne.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Dan took the kids last summer, they thought it was great, but they were 7 and 11. I had learned long ago from my cousin and his wife (he went to school at Mich. Tech.) that it was a hoax, so I went shopping instead. Now, what about Sea Shell City? Anybody been there? Now that they have that big boat out in front that kids can climb on, that's one of my kid's favorite places to stop. It's upgraded a bit over the years. They don't have of those little out houses you open and the guy spins around, looking like he's ready to pee. Now they sell mocassins. And, I will admit it, I've purchased things there, a lot of shells that I am now using to decorate my bathroom. And Alex picked out some things, that are pretty decent, for his room (nautical theme). But we also have to admit that us trolls have Deer Acres. Avoid it at all costs! Sandy On Jul 5, 2007, at 3:41 PM, Robert Garrett wrote: > Every year, I drive to Wisconsin through the U.P. On every trip, I > drove right past the Mystery Spot in St. Ignace. This year, I decided > to stop. I had heard that visitors to the Spot could walk up walls > and > see water run uphill and gravity do otherwise wonky things. I paid my > $7.00 and marveled at such seemingly inexplicable wonders. > > Of course, I figured that there was SOME scientific explanation for > all > this. A quick bit of googling turned it up. The scientific > explanation > is...(Surprise!) it's all a con! Everything happens in these small > rooms in a small house built up a slope. Because the house is > built up > a slope, visitors don't realize how tilted it actually is. From there > everything (water running uphill, etc.) is an optical illusion. For > more details you can read this site: > http://www.sandlotscience.com/MysterySpots/Mystery_Spots_1.htm > > ..and this one: > http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/1998/0909/spot.html > > > Can you believe it? Those fiendish, conniving Yoopers bilked this > poor, unsuspecting troll of seven hard earned dollars. By God, I'll > never trust a shifty-eyed Northerner again! > > On the plus side, I guess I can now say that I've been to the Mystery > Spot. It was entertaining in the same way that a magic act can be > entertaining, I guess. Maybe it doesn't matter that it's all > sleight of > hand. > > Has anyone else been to the Mystery Spot? Anyone fooled by the > illusion? (I know this isn't archives-related, per se, but I'm just > generally curious...plus I want to complain about shifty-eyed > Northerners. : ) ) > > Bob Garrett > Archives of Michigan > Telephone: (517) 241-1382 > E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov > > Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you > discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:00:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erik Nordberg" Subject: Re: [Maa-l] The Mystery Spot To: "Robert Garrett" Cc: maa-l at lists.dhal.org Message-ID: <1263.141.219.44.145.1183669220.squirrel at huskymail.mtu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 >>Can you believe it? Those fiendish, conniving Yoopers bilked this >>poor, unsuspecting troll of seven hard earned dollars. By God, I'll >>never trust a shifty-eyed Northerner again! I realize that this was intended to provoke a reaction... but I guess all I can say is that you get what you pay for. You may want to skip Disney World, too. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:25:49 -0400 From: jgibson at detroit.lib.mi.us Subject: Re: [Maa-l] The Mystery Spot To: "Robert Garrett" Cc: maa-l at lists.dhal.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bob: Aren't you a graduate of the University of Wisconsin? Aren't you an accomplished Euchre player?? How could you be so easily parted with $7 dollars for such a waste of time??? My family has driven past that tourist rip off for years and never stopped. My dad always said, the only mystery to him was why anyone in their right mind would ever stop and pay money to see the "Mystery Spot." I suggest you draw a lesson from your bitter experience and resolve never again to succumb to such idiocy lest you wake up some day and find yourself loaded down with worthless novelties and an empty wallet, after vainly searching south of the Bridge for the "Man Eating Clam" at "Sea Shell City." Regards, John Gibson -----maa-l-bounces+jgibson=detroit.lib.mi.us at lists.dhal.org wrote: ----- To: From: "Robert Garrett" Sent by: maa-l-bounces+jgibson=detroit.lib.mi.us at lists.dhal.org Date: 07/05/2007 03:41PM Subject: [Maa-l] The Mystery Spot Every year, I drive to Wisconsin through the U.P. On every trip, I drove right past the Mystery Spot in St. Ignace. This year, I decided to stop. I had heard that visitors to the Spot could walk up walls and see water run uphill and gravity do otherwise wonky things. I paid my $7.00 and marveled at such seemingly inexplicable wonders. Of course, I figured that there was SOME scientific explanation for all this. A quick bit of googling turned it up. The scientific explanation is...(Surprise!) it's all a con! Everything happens in these small rooms in a small house built up a slope. Because the house is built up a slope, visitors don't realize how tilted it actually is. From there everything (water running uphill, etc.) is an optical illusion. For more details you can read this site: http://www.sandlotscience.com/MysterySpots/Mystery_Spots_1.htm ..and this one: http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/1998/0909/spot.html Can you believe it? Those fiendish, conniving Yoopers bilked this poor, unsuspecting troll of seven hard earned dollars. By God, I'll never trust a shifty-eyed Northerner again! On the plus side, I guess I can now say that I've been to the Mystery Spot. It was entertaining in the same way that a magic act can be entertaining, I guess. Maybe it doesn't matter that it's all sleight of hand. Has anyone else been to the Mystery Spot? Anyone fooled by the illusion? (I know this isn't archives-related, per se, but I'm just generally curious...plus I want to complain about shifty-eyed Northerners. : ) ) Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Notice it says MAN killing, guess women know better than to get near a giant clam:) Sandy > I suggest you draw a lesson from your bitter experience and > resolve never again to succumb to such idiocy lest you wake up some > day and find yourself loaded down with worthless novelties and an > empty wallet, after vainly searching south of the Bridge for the > "Man Eating Clam" at "Sea Shell City." > Regards, > John Gibson > > > -----maa-l-bounces+jgibson=detroit.lib.mi.us at lists.dhal.org wrote: > ----- > > To: > From: "Robert Garrett" > Sent by: maa-l-bounces+jgibson=detroit.lib.mi.us at lists.dhal.org > Date: 07/05/2007 03:41PM > Subject: [Maa-l] The Mystery Spot > > Every year, I drive to Wisconsin through the U.P. On every trip, I > drove right past the Mystery Spot in St. Ignace. This year, I decided > to stop. I had heard that visitors to the Spot could walk up walls > and > see water run uphill and gravity do otherwise wonky things. I paid my > $7.00 and marveled at such seemingly inexplicable wonders. > > Of course, I figured that there was SOME scientific explanation for > all > this. A quick bit of googling turned it up. The scientific > explanation > is...(Surprise!) it's all a con! Everything happens in these small > rooms in a small house built up a slope. Because the house is > built up > a slope, visitors don't realize how tilted it actually is. >From > there > everything (water running uphill, etc.) is an optical illusion. For > more details you can read this site: > http://www.sandlotscience.com/MysterySpots/Mystery_Spots_1.htm > > ..and this one: > http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/1998/0909/spot.html > > > Can you believe it? Those fiendish, conniving Yoopers bilked this > poor, unsuspecting troll of seven hard earned dollars. By God, I'll > never trust a shifty-eyed Northerner again! > > On the plus side, I guess I can now say that I've been to the Mystery > Spot. It was entertaining in the same way that a magic act can be > entertaining, I guess. Maybe it doesn't matter that it's all > sleight of > hand. > > Has anyone else been to the Mystery Spot? Anyone fooled by the > illusion? (I know this isn't archives-related, per se, but I'm just > generally curious...plus I want to complain about shifty-eyed > Northerners. : ) ) > > Bob Garrett > Archives of Michigan > Telephone: (517) 241-1382 > E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov > > Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you > discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l > > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The first time I went with my husband, I was shocked at how quickly we got there. > Our all-time favorite tourist trap - ahem, attraction - is the Call > of the > Wild Museum in Gaylord. My family used to stop there every summer > on our > way north and I've carried on the tradition with my kids. They > love it! > My oldest son even stopped there when he and some friends went up > north on > their own. Can't wait to take the grandchildren... > > > ************************************ > Ann Flowers, Associate Archivist > University of Michigan > Bentley Historical Library > 1150 Beal Ave. > Ann Arbor, MI > 48109 > > Telephone: (734)764-3482 > Fax: (734)936-1333 > E-mail: aflowers at umich.edu > ************************************* > > On Thu, 5 Jul 2007, Robert Garrett wrote: > >> Every year, I drive to Wisconsin through the U.P. On every trip, I >> drove right past the Mystery Spot in St. Ignace. This year, I >> decided >> to stop. I had heard that visitors to the Spot could walk up >> walls and >> see water run uphill and gravity do otherwise wonky things. I >> paid my >> $7.00 and marveled at such seemingly inexplicable wonders. >> >> Of course, I figured that there was SOME scientific explanation >> for all >> this. A quick bit of googling turned it up. The scientific >> explanation >> is...(Surprise!) it's all a con! Everything happens in these small >> rooms in a small house built up a slope. Because the house is >> built up >> a slope, visitors don't realize how tilted it actually is. From >> there >> everything (water running uphill, etc.) is an optical illusion. For >> more details you can read this site: >> http://www.sandlotscience.com/MysterySpots/Mystery_Spots_1.htm >> >> ..and this one: >> http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/1998/0909/spot.html >> >> >> Can you believe it? Those fiendish, conniving Yoopers bilked this >> poor, unsuspecting troll of seven hard earned dollars. By God, I'll >> never trust a shifty-eyed Northerner again! >> >> On the plus side, I guess I can now say that I've been to the Mystery >> Spot. It was entertaining in the same way that a magic act can be >> entertaining, I guess. Maybe it doesn't matter that it's all >> sleight of >> hand. >> >> Has anyone else been to the Mystery Spot? Anyone fooled by the >> illusion? (I know this isn't archives-related, per se, but I'm just >> generally curious...plus I want to complain about shifty-eyed >> Northerners. : ) ) >> >> Bob Garrett >> Archives of Michigan >> Telephone: (517) 241-1382 >> E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov >> >> Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you >> discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maa-l mailing list >> Maa-l at lists.dhal.org >> http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From garrettr1 at michigan.gov Thu Jul 5 20:18:16 2007 From: garrettr1 at michigan.gov (Robert Garrett) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:18:16 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] The Mystery Spot Message-ID: Yeah, my comments were intended as good natured ribbing. In all honesty, I don't feel that robbed. Even if the Mystery Spot was a hoax, it has entertainment value. Just discussing it is entertaining. I do wonder how some of those Mystery Spot tour guides handle hecklers who know it's a hoax. I'm assuming that they get them now and then. Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. >>> "Erik Nordberg" 07/05/07 5:00 PM >>> >>Can you believe it? Those fiendish, conniving Yoopers bilked this >>poor, unsuspecting troll of seven hard earned dollars. By God, I'll >>never trust a shifty-eyed Northerner again! I realize that this was intended to provoke a reaction... but I guess all I can say is that you get what you pay for. You may want to skip Disney World, too. _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From aa8915 at wayne.edu Fri Jul 6 08:23:06 2007 From: aa8915 at wayne.edu (WILLIAM W LEFEVRE) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot Message-ID: <20070706082306.ECT07227@mirapointms6.wayne.edu> Dear Bob: Now, wait a minute. It's a hoax? William William LeFevre, CA, CRM Reference Archivist Walter P. Reuther Library Wayne State University 5401 Cass Avenue Detroit, MI 48202 313.577.2789 (Voice) 313.577.4300 (FAX) website: www.reuther.wayne.edu -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Robert Garrett" Subject: Re: [Maa-l] The Mystery Spot Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:18:16 -0400 Size: 3949 Url: http://lists.dhal.org/pipermail/maa-l/attachments/20070706/b65fdc47/attachment.eml From enordber at mtu.edu Fri Jul 6 08:40:00 2007 From: enordber at mtu.edu (Erik Nordberg) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot In-Reply-To: <20070706082306.ECT07227@mirapointms6.wayne.edu> References: <20070706082306.ECT07227@mirapointms6.wayne.edu> Message-ID: <4851.141.219.44.114.1183725600.squirrel@huskymail.mtu.edu> And this isn't really a tire: http://www.flickr.com/photos/99559819 at N00/193295648 Actually, it was something else: http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~alanford/nancyford/photoalbums/michigan/uniroyaltire_1964.jpg =============================== Dear Bob: Now, wait a minute. It's a hoax? William From GarrettR1 at michigan.gov Fri Jul 6 08:47:46 2007 From: GarrettR1 at michigan.gov (Robert Garrett) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 08:47:46 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot Message-ID: To paraphrase John F. Kennedy, "There's always someone who doesn't get the word." Just in case you're not completely kidding and missed my earlier message, I'll repost these links that debunk the Mystery Spot: http://www.sandlotscience.com/MysterySpots/Mystery_Spots_1.htm http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/1998/0909/spot.html Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. >>> WILLIAM W LEFEVRE 7/6/2007 8:23 AM >>> Dear Bob: Now, wait a minute. It's a hoax? William William LeFevre, CA, CRM Reference Archivist Walter P. Reuther Library Wayne State University 5401 Cass Avenue Detroit, MI 48202 313.577.2789 (Voice) 313.577.4300 (FAX) website: www.reuther.wayne.edu From boles1fj at cmich.edu Fri Jul 6 08:51:57 2007 From: boles1fj at cmich.edu (Boles, Frank J.) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:51:57 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot In-Reply-To: <20070706082306.ECT07227@mirapointms6.wayne.edu> References: <20070706082306.ECT07227@mirapointms6.wayne.edu> Message-ID: Dear Bill: This cruel, cruel string of comments has been written by a group of no-good, non-believing, ex-hippies (I'll bet you if we looked they'd all have an old set of love beads in the closet!) who are probably still liberals. Need I say more? You just go no believing buddy (Marcus will you please stop saying "kaching" its ruining the effect here). Frank Ps Bill, don't get too close to that giant man-eating clam at Sea Shell City; I could tell you stories that would give you nightmares! Of course in the spirit of public service the lower peninsula is well known for admission to the giant, man-eating clam is free -- unlike tourist traps (er make that "points of interest") in the upper peninsula, but I digress. -----Original Message----- From: maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org [mailto:maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of WILLIAM W LEFEVRE Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:23 AM To: maa-l at lists.dhal.org Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot Dear Bob: Now, wait a minute. It's a hoax? William William LeFevre, CA, CRM Reference Archivist Walter P. Reuther Library Wayne State University 5401 Cass Avenue Detroit, MI 48202 313.577.2789 (Voice) 313.577.4300 (FAX) website: www.reuther.wayne.edu From aa6699 at wayne.edu Fri Jul 6 08:58:56 2007 From: aa6699 at wayne.edu (Sandy Eklund) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:58:56 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot In-Reply-To: <4851.141.219.44.114.1183725600.squirrel@huskymail.mtu.edu> References: <20070706082306.ECT07227@mirapointms6.wayne.edu> <4851.141.219.44.114.1183725600.squirrel@huskymail.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <1FA924D1-4A65-44FE-BCC8-34C1A297D5DF@wayne.edu> And yes, Bill, there really isn't a Santa Claus :( On Jul 6, 2007, at 8:40 AM, Erik Nordberg wrote: > And this isn't really a tire: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/99559819 at N00/193295648 > > Actually, it was something else: > http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~alanford/nancyford/photoalbums/ > michigan/uniroyaltire_1964.jpg > > =============================== > Dear Bob: > > Now, wait a minute. It's a hoax? > > William > > > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From boles1fj at cmich.edu Fri Jul 6 09:00:57 2007 From: boles1fj at cmich.edu (Boles, Frank J.) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:00:57 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot In-Reply-To: <4851.141.219.44.114.1183725600.squirrel@huskymail.mtu.edu> References: <20070706082306.ECT07227@mirapointms6.wayne.edu> <4851.141.219.44.114.1183725600.squirrel@huskymail.mtu.edu> Message-ID: Erik: Let me tell you about the truck from which that tire, now enshrined on the side of Detroit freeway, fell off! It's sort of the Detroit version of Paul Bunyon and the Blue Ox. Next think you know you'll be claiming the giant Readi-Whip topping cans on Telegraph are really storage facilities for the stuff (no one knows the secret ingredients!) that they make Readi-Whip out of. Go to Disneyworld Erik -- quick. Your loosing the magic! -----Original Message----- From: maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org [mailto:maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of Erik Nordberg Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:40 AM To: WILLIAM W LEFEVRE Cc: maa-l at lists.dhal.org Subject: Re: [Maa-l] Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot And this isn't really a tire: http://www.flickr.com/photos/99559819 at N00/193295648 Actually, it was something else: http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~alanford/nancyford/photoalbums/mich igan/uniroyaltire_1964.jpg =============================== Dear Bob: Now, wait a minute. It's a hoax? William _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From jmyler at ford.com Fri Jul 6 09:00:58 2007 From: jmyler at ford.com (Myler, Jamie (J.)) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:00:58 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot In-Reply-To: <4851.141.219.44.114.1183725600.squirrel@huskymail.mtu.edu> References: <20070706082306.ECT07227@mirapointms6.wayne.edu> <4851.141.219.44.114.1183725600.squirrel@huskymail.mtu.edu> Message-ID: <9FCF0B850D70E14984FE2A0B054E41FF03142E7E@na1fcm13.dearborn.ford.com> ...and this isn't really a Michigan Sasquatch: http://www.michiganbigfoot.org/pictures.html -----Original Message----- From: maa-l-bounces+jmyler=ford.com at lists.dhal.org [mailto:maa-l-bounces+jmyler=ford.com at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of Erik Nordberg Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:40 AM To: WILLIAM W LEFEVRE Cc: maa-l at lists.dhal.org Subject: Re: [Maa-l] Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot And this isn't really a tire: http://www.flickr.com/photos/99559819 at N00/193295648 Actually, it was something else: http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~alanford/nancyford/photoalbums/mich igan/uniroyaltire_1964.jpg =============================== Dear Bob: Now, wait a minute. It's a hoax? William _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From enordber at mtu.edu Fri Jul 6 09:03:41 2007 From: enordber at mtu.edu (Erik Nordberg) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot In-Reply-To: <9FCF0B850D70E14984FE2A0B054E41FF03142E7E@na1fcm13.dearborn.ford.com> References: <20070706082306.ECT07227@mirapointms6.wayne.edu> <4851.141.219.44.114.1183725600.squirrel@huskymail.mtu.edu> <9FCF0B850D70E14984FE2A0B054E41FF03142E7E@na1fcm13.dearborn.ford.com> Message-ID: <1233.141.219.44.113.1183727021.squirrel@huskymail.mtu.edu> It's Frank on the prowl for Hemingway artifacts... ========================================================== ...and this isn't really a Michigan Sasquatch: http://www.michiganbigfoot.org/pictures.html From aa8915 at wayne.edu Fri Jul 6 09:12:34 2007 From: aa8915 at wayne.edu (WILLIAM W LEFEVRE) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: RE: Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot Message-ID: <20070706091234.ECT14655@mirapointms6.wayne.edu> Dear Jamie: Actually, I'm pretty sure that is Nordberg. ;-) William William LeFevre, CA, CRM Reference Archivist Walter P. Reuther Library Wayne State University 5401 Cass Avenue Detroit, MI 48202 313.577.2789 (Voice) 313.577.4300 (FAX) website: www.reuther.wayne.edu -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Myler, Jamie \(J.\)" Subject: RE: [Maa-l] Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:00:58 -0400 Size: 3985 Url: http://lists.dhal.org/pipermail/maa-l/attachments/20070706/539c9be8/attachment-0001.eml From aa6699 at wayne.edu Fri Jul 6 09:15:43 2007 From: aa6699 at wayne.edu (Sandy Eklund) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:15:43 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot In-Reply-To: References: <20070706082306.ECT07227@mirapointms6.wayne.edu> Message-ID: No love beads here, although I do have a necklace with a partially peeled banana hanging on it, and another one with a cookie with a bite taken out of it. Then there's the Fonzie rug that's still hanging around my parent's house. And remember Frank, those yuppers have to make a living somehow, and if it be through their points of interests, well, so be it. Sandy On Jul 6, 2007, at 8:51 AM, Boles, Frank J. wrote: > Dear Bill: > > This cruel, cruel string of comments has been written by a group of > no-good, non-believing, ex-hippies (I'll bet you if we looked > they'd all > have an old set of love beads in the closet!) who are probably still > liberals. Need I say more? > > You just go no believing buddy (Marcus will you please stop saying > "kaching" its ruining the effect here). > > Frank > > Ps Bill, don't get too close to that giant man-eating clam at Sea > Shell > City; I could tell you stories that would give you nightmares! Of > course > in the spirit of public service the lower peninsula is well known for > admission to the giant, man-eating clam is free -- unlike tourist > traps > (er make that "points of interest") in the upper peninsula, but I > digress. > > -----Original Message----- > From: maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org > [mailto:maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of > WILLIAM W LEFEVRE > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:23 AM > To: maa-l at lists.dhal.org > Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot > > Dear Bob: > > Now, wait a minute. It's a hoax? > > William > > William LeFevre, CA, CRM > Reference Archivist > Walter P. Reuther Library > Wayne State University > 5401 Cass Avenue > Detroit, MI 48202 > 313.577.2789 (Voice) > 313.577.4300 (FAX) > website: www.reuther.wayne.edu > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From enordber at mtu.edu Fri Jul 6 09:28:31 2007 From: enordber at mtu.edu (Erik Nordberg) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot In-Reply-To: References: <20070706082306.ECT07227@mirapointms6.wayne.edu> Message-ID: <1392.141.219.44.113.1183728511.squirrel@huskymail.mtu.edu> >>the lower peninsula is well known for >>admission to the giant, man-eating clam is free In defense of the SSC clam, I think it is only fair to echo earlier comments on this thread. It is a man KILLING clam, not a man EATING clam. As a somewhat sedentary marine bivalve, the clam couldn't actually digest a mammal the size of a human. But if it's jaws were to clamp shut on a man's appendage (I'm thinking ankle or wrist), it could trap him under water to the point where he might drown before being able to dislodge his appendage. It is purely a defense mechanism on the part of the lowly clam. He generally presents no danger to man. You leave him be, and he'll quite happily just sit there doing very little, causing no man any harm whatsoever. Yet even if provoked into action, the clam can really only KILL you. It can't really EAT you. Just wanted to correct folks on that part. ACHL (The Anti Clam Harrassment League) From mrobyns at nmu.edu Fri Jul 6 09:49:25 2007 From: mrobyns at nmu.edu (Robyns, Marcus) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:49:25 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: RE: Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot In-Reply-To: <20070706091234.ECT14655@mirapointms6.wayne.edu> References: <20070706091234.ECT14655@mirapointms6.wayne.edu> Message-ID: Actually, the picture purporting to be big foot is really Frank taking a break on the side of the road during one of his clandestine forays into the UP. I must respectfully disagree with William, since Nordberg is far better looking and much more modest. A man of Frank's age, as one might imagine, must take frequent breaks during long road trips, since he is unable or unwilling to follow the NASA example of efficient travel. I must say that I find this thread curious. No one has yet offered an appraisal assessment on the archival value in documenting the strange proclivity of trolls to fork over large amounts of money to conniving Yoopers. Erik and I make a good living at it. Just ask that hapless legislature in Lansing. Hey Frank, I have a Hemmingway thingy for you. Would you like to see it? Come on, Frank, you can do it........ Marcus C. Robyns, CA Associate Professor / University Archivist Northern Michigan University mrobyns at nmu.edu 906.227.1046 FAX 906.227.1333 -----Original Message----- From: maa-l-bounces+mrobyns=nmu.edu at lists.dhal.org [mailto:maa-l-bounces+mrobyns=nmu.edu at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of WILLIAM W LEFEVRE Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:13 AM To: maa-l at lists.dhal.org Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: RE: Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot Dear Jamie: Actually, I'm pretty sure that is Nordberg. ;-) William William LeFevre, CA, CRM Reference Archivist Walter P. Reuther Library Wayne State University 5401 Cass Avenue Detroit, MI 48202 313.577.2789 (Voice) 313.577.4300 (FAX) website: www.reuther.wayne.edu From aa6699 at wayne.edu Fri Jul 6 10:23:14 2007 From: aa6699 at wayne.edu (Sandy Eklund) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:23:14 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: RE: Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot In-Reply-To: References: <20070706091234.ECT14655@mirapointms6.wayne.edu> Message-ID: <4A7961F5-7C9A-4CC1-B014-A66DB0B288FF@wayne.edu> Well, this talk about stopping by the side of the road, reminds me of a story - a true one at that. This happened back in the late 60s or early 70s - long before cell phones. Some friends of friends of my parents were going up north along 75. They had a RV. The wife was driving, husband was in the back sleeping. She pulled off to the side of the road for something. She assumed he was still sleeping, he decided to get out to take a leak in the bushes. She didn't know this and took off, leaving him there in the weeds - in only his underwear!!! So there he was, just in his undies - nothing more. Eventually he flagged down a police car and the state police caught up to her and they were reunited. Sandy On Jul 6, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Robyns, Marcus wrote: > Actually, the picture purporting to be big foot is really Frank > taking a > break on the side of the road during one of his clandestine forays > into > the UP. I must respectfully disagree with William, since Nordberg is > far better looking and much more modest. A man of Frank's age, as one > might imagine, must take frequent breaks during long road trips, since > he is unable or unwilling to follow the NASA example of efficient > travel. > > I must say that I find this thread curious. No one has yet > offered an > appraisal assessment on the archival value in documenting the strange > proclivity of trolls to fork over large amounts of money to conniving > Yoopers. Erik and I make a good living at it. Just ask that hapless > legislature in Lansing. Hey Frank, I have a Hemmingway thingy for > you. > Would you like to see it? Come on, Frank, you can do it........ > > Marcus C. Robyns, CA > Associate Professor / University Archivist > Northern Michigan University > > mrobyns at nmu.edu > 906.227.1046 > FAX 906.227.1333 > > -----Original Message----- > From: maa-l-bounces+mrobyns=nmu.edu at lists.dhal.org > [mailto:maa-l-bounces+mrobyns=nmu.edu at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of > WILLIAM W LEFEVRE > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:13 AM > To: maa-l at lists.dhal.org > Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: RE: Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot > > Dear Jamie: > > Actually, I'm pretty sure that is Nordberg. ;-) > > William > William LeFevre, CA, CRM > Reference Archivist > Walter P. Reuther Library > Wayne State University > 5401 Cass Avenue > Detroit, MI 48202 > 313.577.2789 (Voice) > 313.577.4300 (FAX) > website: www.reuther.wayne.edu > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From daleym at gvsu.edu Fri Jul 6 10:46:52 2007 From: daleym at gvsu.edu (Matthew Daley) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 10:46:52 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: RE: Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot Message-ID: <468E1DFE02000068000050F2@gvsu.edu> Not to interrupt the stimulating line of discussion on the proclivities of the two peninsulas (having lived in both), but the Mystery Spot has prompted a small observation. We are certainly children of a skeptical age, P.T. Barnum's thoughts on the amazingly high birth rate of suckers would have little bearing on all of us. I always have an interesting discussions with students on whether people of earlier generations were either stupid or gullible. That and then linking with religion's demands on faith. Perhaps they liked finding out about the "humbug" for themselves and didn't mind parting with a dollar. http://www.lostmuseum.cuny.edu/archives/museum.htm On a side note, an HBO series, Carnivale, was based on the whole premise that we all rejected faith after the 1945 Trinity test and embraced reason, or cynicism which seems to pass for reason today. They do have the wonderful carnival sideshow trick of "Man-eating Chicken" - which is exactly that, a man eating chicken. Sea Shell City should do that, good to lure the suckers in, isn't that what tourism is all about? Why else call them tourist traps? My apologies for not posting on the "workshop" thread. I'm going at the moment with "try it, critique it, and improve it", Amy and I will keep you all updated. Cheers! Matthew L. Daley, Ph.D Assistant Professor of History Grand Valley State University Allendale, MI 49401-9403 Office: (616)331-8701 http://www.flickr.com/photos/mdaley752/ Matthew L. Daley, Ph.D Assistant Professor of History Grand Valley State University Allendale, MI 49401-9403 Office: (616)331-8701 http://www.flickr.com/photos/mdaley752/ From boles1fj at cmich.edu Fri Jul 6 11:20:34 2007 From: boles1fj at cmich.edu (Boles, Frank J.) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:20:34 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot In-Reply-To: <1392.141.219.44.113.1183728511.squirrel@huskymail.mtu.edu> References: <20070706082306.ECT07227@mirapointms6.wayne.edu> <1392.141.219.44.113.1183728511.squirrel@huskymail.mtu.edu> Message-ID: That "sedentary marine bivalve" looked pretty darned vicious to me; but then I don't claim to be an expert on "sedentary marine bivalve" kind of creatures. Besides, if the mystery spot can defy gravity why couldn't that killer clam leap from its perch and devour a poor, innocent male swimmer (having already ascertained that it is against sedentary marine bivalve principles to eat poor, innocent female swimmers). Frank -----Original Message----- From: maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org [mailto:maa-l-bounces+boles1fj=cmich.edu at lists.dhal.org] On Behalf Of Erik Nordberg Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:29 AM To: maa-l at lists.dhal.org Subject: Re: [Maa-l] Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot >>the lower peninsula is well known for >>admission to the giant, man-eating clam is free In defense of the SSC clam, I think it is only fair to echo earlier comments on this thread. It is a man KILLING clam, not a man EATING clam. As a somewhat sedentary marine bivalve, the clam couldn't actually digest a mammal the size of a human. But if it's jaws were to clamp shut on a man's appendage (I'm thinking ankle or wrist), it could trap him under water to the point where he might drown before being able to dislodge his appendage. It is purely a defense mechanism on the part of the lowly clam. He generally presents no danger to man. You leave him be, and he'll quite happily just sit there doing very little, causing no man any harm whatsoever. Yet even if provoked into action, the clam can really only KILL you. It can't really EAT you. Just wanted to correct folks on that part. ACHL (The Anti Clam Harrassment League) _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From GarrettR1 at michigan.gov Fri Jul 6 11:49:22 2007 From: GarrettR1 at michigan.gov (Robert Garrett) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:49:22 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: RE: Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot Message-ID: You have some interesting thoughts there, Matt. Were people really more gullible 100 years ago? I don't know. Certainly, there were a plethora of snake oil salesmen and just general run-of-the-mill con men in the 19th Century (Mark Twain's ADVENTURES OF HUCKLEBERRY FINN includes two characters named the Duke and the King who sort of exemplify what was then a common type.). Sometimes, though, I look at the spam in my inbox, then think about "miracle cures" advertised in 19th Century newspapers. It makes me wonder how much has really changed. Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. >>> "Matthew Daley" 7/6/2007 10:46 AM >>> Not to interrupt the stimulating line of discussion on the proclivities of the two peninsulas (having lived in both), but the Mystery Spot has prompted a small observation. We are certainly children of a skeptical age, P.T. Barnum's thoughts on the amazingly high birth rate of suckers would have little bearing on all of us. I always have an interesting discussions with students on whether people of earlier generations were either stupid or gullible. That and then linking with religion's demands on faith. Perhaps they liked finding out about the "humbug" for themselves and didn't mind parting with a dollar. http://www.lostmuseum.cuny.edu/archives/museum.htm On a side note, an HBO series, Carnivale, was based on the whole premise that we all rejected faith after the 1945 Trinity test and embraced reason, or cynicism which seems to pass for reason today. They do have the wonderful carnival sideshow trick of "Man-eating Chicken" - which is exactly that, a man eating chicken. Sea Shell City should do that, good to lure the suckers in, isn't that what tourism is all about? Why else call them tourist traps? My apologies for not posting on the "workshop" thread. I'm going at the moment with "try it, critique it, and improve it", Amy and I will keep you all updated. Cheers! Matthew L. Daley, Ph.D Assistant Professor of History Grand Valley State University Allendale, MI 49401-9403 Office: (616)331-8701 http://www.flickr.com/photos/mdaley752/ Matthew L. Daley, Ph.D Assistant Professor of History Grand Valley State University Allendale, MI 49401-9403 Office: (616)331-8701 http://www.flickr.com/photos/mdaley752/ _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From aa6699 at wayne.edu Fri Jul 6 13:28:16 2007 From: aa6699 at wayne.edu (Sandy Eklund) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:28:16 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: RE: Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <748C0057-6877-40F8-93FC-5C4F2AB00664@wayne.edu> Very true, I get a lot of money schemes and human growth hormones in my email. And every now and then you hear about people who get taken in some kind of scheme. Now that my dad is in early Alzheimer's, I can see how elderly people can get really taken. That's why I've become the parent and send a check to his caregiver to cash and give him him "allowance" for the month. On Jul 6, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Robert Garrett wrote: > You have some interesting thoughts there, Matt. > > Were people really more gullible 100 years ago? > > I don't know. Certainly, there were a plethora of snake oil salesmen > and just general run-of-the-mill con men in the 19th Century (Mark > Twain's ADVENTURES OF HUCKLEBERRY FINN includes two characters > named the > Duke and the King who sort of exemplify what was then a common type.). > Sometimes, though, I look at the spam in my inbox, then think about > "miracle cures" advertised in 19th Century newspapers. It makes me > wonder how much has really changed. > > > > > Bob Garrett > Archives of Michigan > Telephone: (517) 241-1382 > E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov > > Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you > discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. > > > > > > > >>>> "Matthew Daley" 7/6/2007 10:46 AM >>> > Not to interrupt the stimulating line of discussion on the > proclivities > of the two peninsulas (having lived in both), but the Mystery Spot has > prompted a small observation. We are certainly children of a > skeptical > age, P.T. Barnum's thoughts on the amazingly high birth rate of > suckers > would have little bearing on all of us. I always have an interesting > discussions with students on whether people of earlier generations > were > either stupid or gullible. That and then linking with religion's > demands on faith. Perhaps they liked finding out about the > "humbug" for > themselves and didn't mind parting with a dollar. > http://www.lostmuseum.cuny.edu/archives/museum.htm > On a side note, an HBO series, Carnivale, was based on the whole > premise that we all rejected faith after the 1945 Trinity test and > embraced reason, or cynicism which seems to pass for reason today. > They > do have the wonderful carnival sideshow trick of "Man-eating > Chicken" - > which is exactly that, a man eating chicken. Sea Shell City should do > that, good to lure the suckers in, isn't that what tourism is all > about? > Why else call them tourist traps? > > My apologies for not posting on the "workshop" thread. I'm going at > the moment with "try it, critique it, and improve it", Amy and I will > keep you all updated. > > Cheers! > Matthew L. Daley, Ph.D > Assistant Professor of History > Grand Valley State University > Allendale, MI 49401-9403 > Office: (616)331-8701 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mdaley752/ > > Matthew L. Daley, Ph.D > Assistant Professor of History > Grand Valley State University > Allendale, MI 49401-9403 > Office: (616)331-8701 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mdaley752/ > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From GarrettR1 at michigan.gov Tue Jul 10 09:52:23 2007 From: GarrettR1 at michigan.gov (Robert Garrett) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:52:23 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Kalamazoo Co. Naturalization Index Online Message-ID: I just added the Kalamazoo County Naturalization Index to the Archives of Michigan web site. We now have online naturalization indexes for thirty-two Michigan Counties. You can access the complete list here: http://www.michigan.gov/hal/0,1607,7-160-17449_18635_20684---,00.html . (You can also reach this page by going to our home page - www.michigan.gov/archivesofmi - and selecting "Naturalization indexes" from our pulldown "Genealogy" menu.) For a complete list of county naturalization records in the Archives of Michigan (The link noted above only lists electronic indexes.), see this page: http://www.michigan.gov/documents/mhc_sa_circular10_49699_7.pdf . You can also access this list by going to our home page - www.michigan.gov/archivesofmi - selecting "Circulars" from our pulldown "Genealogy" menu and then clicking on "Naturalization." Finally, I'll note that Michigan naturalization records can be searched through ANSWER, the online catalog of both the Archives of Michigan and the Library of Michigan. Links to ANSWER can usually be found in the right margin of Archives of Michigan web pages. Here's a direct link: http://35.9.2.51/search~S37 Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. From rbizonet at gmail.com Thu Jul 12 10:30:39 2007 From: rbizonet at gmail.com (Rebecca Bizonet) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:30:39 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: RE: Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66c774e00707120730k9eb1bb0x8854c0e31414abdb@mail.gmail.com> On a serious note (well, sort of), one could make a case for tourist traps such as the Mystery Spot being sites transmission of social memory, a la Maurice Halbwachs, and perhaps Pierre Nora's "lieux de memoire." In the Hunts' Guide to Michigan's Upper Peninsula (Don and Mary Hunt, online at http://hunts-upguide.com, Mystery Spot section at http://hunts-upguide.com/u_s__2_from_the_bridge_mystery_spot.html--by the way, it's a great resource for U.P. travel planning, and the print version is just plain fun to sit down with and read, too!), the authors describe the current owner as "one of the kids whose dad never would stop," at the Mystery Spot, despite his pleas. Apparently, this fascination with the place continued into adulthood, remaining strong enough for him to buy it. In fact, throughout the guide, the Hunts describe numerous attractions, lodgings, and restaurants at which the present owners were motivated to relocate and take on the running of based on cherished memories of visits in childhood or young adulthood. More broadly, visitors return to these sites, like the proverbial swallows to Capistrano, bringing their children, who may continue the cycle when they are grown, provided the memories of the place are strong and positive enough. Of course, the physical and commercial survival of the sites depends on more than just nostalgia, but that's enough rumination on the topic for me for the time being. OK, one more thing, on the gullibility issue brought up by Matthew Daley. Probably everyone already discussing this has been tacitly acknowledging this, but I'll risk spoiling the fun by being all blatant about it: Haven't visitor reactions to roadside attractions and P.T. Barnum-type things always combined fairly unequal parts wonder and willful suspension of disbelief/playful irony (depending on various personal factors, especially age)? Rebecca On 7/6/07, Robert Garrett wrote: > You have some interesting thoughts there, Matt. > > Were people really more gullible 100 years ago? > > I don't know. Certainly, there were a plethora of snake oil salesmen > and just general run-of-the-mill con men in the 19th Century (Mark > Twain's ADVENTURES OF HUCKLEBERRY FINN includes two characters named the > Duke and the King who sort of exemplify what was then a common type.). > Sometimes, though, I look at the spam in my inbox, then think about > "miracle cures" advertised in 19th Century newspapers. It makes me > wonder how much has really changed. > > > > > Bob Garrett > Archives of Michigan > Telephone: (517) 241-1382 > E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov > > Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you > discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. > > > > > > > > >>> "Matthew Daley" 7/6/2007 10:46 AM >>> > Not to interrupt the stimulating line of discussion on the proclivities > of the two peninsulas (having lived in both), but the Mystery Spot has > prompted a small observation. We are certainly children of a skeptical > age, P.T. Barnum's thoughts on the amazingly high birth rate of suckers > would have little bearing on all of us. I always have an interesting > discussions with students on whether people of earlier generations were > either stupid or gullible. That and then linking with religion's > demands on faith. Perhaps they liked finding out about the "humbug" for > themselves and didn't mind parting with a dollar. > http://www.lostmuseum.cuny.edu/archives/museum.htm > On a side note, an HBO series, Carnivale, was based on the whole > premise that we all rejected faith after the 1945 Trinity test and > embraced reason, or cynicism which seems to pass for reason today. They > do have the wonderful carnival sideshow trick of "Man-eating Chicken" - > which is exactly that, a man eating chicken. Sea Shell City should do > that, good to lure the suckers in, isn't that what tourism is all about? > Why else call them tourist traps? > > My apologies for not posting on the "workshop" thread. I'm going at > the moment with "try it, critique it, and improve it", Amy and I will > keep you all updated. > > Cheers! > Matthew L. Daley, Ph.D > Assistant Professor of History > Grand Valley State University > Allendale, MI 49401-9403 > Office: (616)331-8701 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mdaley752/ > > Matthew L. Daley, Ph.D > Assistant Professor of History > Grand Valley State University > Allendale, MI 49401-9403 > Office: (616)331-8701 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mdaley752/ > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l > From sharon.carlson at wmich.edu Thu Jul 12 13:28:30 2007 From: sharon.carlson at wmich.edu (Sharon Carlson) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:28:30 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Death of Sue Husband (Western Michigan University) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46962C73.9DD7.007B.0@groupwise.wmich.edu> It is with great sadness that I send this information about the funeral arrangements for Sue Husband. Sue passed away early Wednesday morning at Rose Arbor Hospice. She was 66. For over twenty years, Sue held several positions in the Archives and Regional History Collections at Western Michigan University. She served longest as the Curator of Regional History Collections. In addition to her twenty years of employment, she volunteered for several years. Her connection to the Archives and Regional History Collections spans over twenty-five years. It was her love of local history and old books that brought her to the Archives in the early 1980s. She also had multi-generational connections to the region and had worked on her family genealogy for years. Sue was also a fount of knowledge about regional history, especially the built environment. She was particularly familiar with the work of local architects Ernest Batterson and William Stone. Sue served the greater University Libraries and was involved in several local organizations as well. She served several terms on the Library Staff Advisory Board in the 1980s and 1990s. She was active in the Kalamazoo Valley Genealogical Society, Kalamazoo County Historical Society, and Kalamazoo County Preservation Alliance during the same period. While I am sad, I find comfort knowing that Sue leaves a substantial legacy. She influenced countless students completing internships. Some of these former students now work in libraries and archives. Researchers will continue to benefit from the finding aids she prepared for collections. I also have many fond personal memories of Sue too numerous to mention. Sue leaves a husband, Keith, two daughters Heather (Daniel) Duchscherer and Alyson (Patrick) Conley, and five grandchildren. Visitation Saturday, Jul 14th 2007 11:00 AM to 12:00 PM EDT Life Story Funeral Home? 5975 Lovers Lane Portage, MI, 49002 269-344-5600 Service Saturday, Jul 14th 2007 12:00 PM EDT Life Story Funeral Home? 5975 Lovers Lane Portage, MI, 49002 269-344-5600 The gathering will be an informal time for friends and family to share thoughts and stories about Suzanne The full obituary and additional information will be posted on http://www.lifestorynet.com/memories/26043/ From GarrettR1 at michigan.gov Fri Jul 13 09:06:02 2007 From: GarrettR1 at michigan.gov (Robert Garrett) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:06:02 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: RE: Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot Message-ID: That's interesting that people buy tourist spots because of childhood memories. It made me wonder if I had any nostalgia for such a spot myself. I guess I don't, really. Rural Central Wisconsin doesn't draw many tourists. Our family went on picnics and such, but we always had to be home by 5:00 to milk cows. Maybe I should buy a MacDonald's. Going to MacDonald's was always a big thrill when I was a kid. The nearest one was forty-five minutes away, so a MacDonald's trip was an event. Somehow, though, I think that the "MacDonald's magic" is kind of gone for me. (Alas, if only there had been a Sea Shell City close to our farm!) I once saw a History Channel documentary on roadside attractions. A number started sprouting up after World War II, when people began traveling more than ever before. (The Mystery Spot opened in the mid-1950's.) Motel franchises such as Holiday Inn were part of this same phenomenon. Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. >>> "Rebecca Bizonet" 7/12/2007 10:30 AM >>> On a serious note (well, sort of), one could make a case for tourist traps such as the Mystery Spot being sites transmission of social memory, a la Maurice Halbwachs, and perhaps Pierre Nora's "lieux de memoire." In the Hunts' Guide to Michigan's Upper Peninsula (Don and Mary Hunt, online at http://hunts-upguide.com, Mystery Spot section at http://hunts-upguide.com/u_s__2_from_the_bridge_mystery_spot.html--by the way, it's a great resource for U.P. travel planning, and the print version is just plain fun to sit down with and read, too!), the authors describe the current owner as "one of the kids whose dad never would stop," at the Mystery Spot, despite his pleas. Apparently, this fascination with the place continued into adulthood, remaining strong enough for him to buy it. In fact, throughout the guide, the Hunts describe numerous attractions, lodgings, and restaurants at which the present owners were motivated to relocate and take on the running of based on cherished memories of visits in childhood or young adulthood. More broadly, visitors return to these sites, like the proverbial swallows to Capistrano, bringing their children, who may continue the cycle when they are grown, provided the memories of the place are strong and positive enough. Of course, the physical and commercial survival of the sites depends on more than just nostalgia, but that's enough rumination on the topic for me for the time being. OK, one more thing, on the gullibility issue brought up by Matthew Daley. Probably everyone already discussing this has been tacitly acknowledging this, but I'll risk spoiling the fun by being all blatant about it: Haven't visitor reactions to roadside attractions and P.T. Barnum-type things always combined fairly unequal parts wonder and willful suspension of disbelief/playful irony (depending on various personal factors, especially age)? Rebecca On 7/6/07, Robert Garrett wrote: > You have some interesting thoughts there, Matt. > > Were people really more gullible 100 years ago? > > I don't know. Certainly, there were a plethora of snake oil salesmen > and just general run-of-the-mill con men in the 19th Century (Mark > Twain's ADVENTURES OF HUCKLEBERRY FINN includes two characters named the > Duke and the King who sort of exemplify what was then a common type.). > Sometimes, though, I look at the spam in my inbox, then think about > "miracle cures" advertised in 19th Century newspapers. It makes me > wonder how much has really changed. > > > > > Bob Garrett > Archives of Michigan > Telephone: (517) 241-1382 > E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov > > Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you > discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. > > > > > > > > >>> "Matthew Daley" 7/6/2007 10:46 AM >>> > Not to interrupt the stimulating line of discussion on the proclivities > of the two peninsulas (having lived in both), but the Mystery Spot has > prompted a small observation. We are certainly children of a skeptical > age, P.T. Barnum's thoughts on the amazingly high birth rate of suckers > would have little bearing on all of us. I always have an interesting > discussions with students on whether people of earlier generations were > either stupid or gullible. That and then linking with religion's > demands on faith. Perhaps they liked finding out about the "humbug" for > themselves and didn't mind parting with a dollar. > http://www.lostmuseum.cuny.edu/archives/museum.htm > On a side note, an HBO series, Carnivale, was based on the whole > premise that we all rejected faith after the 1945 Trinity test and > embraced reason, or cynicism which seems to pass for reason today. They > do have the wonderful carnival sideshow trick of "Man-eating Chicken" - > which is exactly that, a man eating chicken. Sea Shell City should do > that, good to lure the suckers in, isn't that what tourism is all about? > Why else call them tourist traps? > > My apologies for not posting on the "workshop" thread. I'm going at > the moment with "try it, critique it, and improve it", Amy and I will > keep you all updated. > > Cheers! > Matthew L. Daley, Ph.D > Assistant Professor of History > Grand Valley State University > Allendale, MI 49401-9403 > Office: (616)331-8701 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mdaley752/ > > Matthew L. Daley, Ph.D > Assistant Professor of History > Grand Valley State University > Allendale, MI 49401-9403 > Office: (616)331-8701 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/mdaley752/ > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l > _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From aa6699 at wayne.edu Fri Jul 13 21:50:16 2007 From: aa6699 at wayne.edu (Sandy Eklund) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:50:16 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Fwd: RE: Fwd: Re: The Mystery Spot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15C0A32B-390E-41BA-9EAE-CB718DB8C13C@wayne.edu> Well, Bob, you had it better than me as a kid. I grew up in Algonac, so I was mall deprived, ice cream truck deprived, pizza deprived and Halloween deprived (had to drive into town to go trick or treating). There was a great restaurant there - Henry's - and they opened a take out place around 1970, that was the first time we had pizza in Algonac. Unfortunately it didn't last long and we didn't get a Hungry Howie's until the late 80s. For years all the grocery store had was Chef Boy-Ar-Dee pizza mix in a box. But they didn't sell pepperoni, so we used to slice up hot dogs to put on the pizza. At some point they got frozen pizzas. Hungry Howie's is still there, but Pizza Hut and McDonalds, along with Henry's are long gone. There's hardly anything there anymore. Re Holiday Inns - they have certainly changed over time. I've stayed in 5 different ones in the past 2 years, some are pretty basic but updated. The one in downtown Cleveland is in an old bank building. My room was huge, had a big screen tv, jacuzzi for 2, microwave, fridge, sink, and large bathroom, and the pillows were embroidered "soft", "firm". And no orange and turquoise to be found! Sandy On Jul 13, 2007, at 9:06 AM, Robert Garrett wrote: > That's interesting that people buy tourist spots because of childhood > memories. It made me wonder if I had any nostalgia for such a spot > myself. I guess I don't, really. Rural Central Wisconsin doesn't > draw > many tourists. Our family went on picnics and such, but we always had > to be home by 5:00 to milk cows. > > Maybe I should buy a MacDonald's. Going to MacDonald's was always a > big thrill when I was a kid. The nearest one was forty-five minutes > away, so a MacDonald's trip was an event. Somehow, though, I think > that > the "MacDonald's magic" is kind of gone for me. (Alas, if only there > had been a Sea Shell City close to our farm!) > > I once saw a History Channel documentary on roadside attractions. A > number started sprouting up after World War II, when people began > traveling more than ever before. (The Mystery Spot opened in the > mid-1950's.) Motel franchises such as Holiday Inn were part of this > same phenomenon. > > > > Bob Garrett > Archives of Michigan > Telephone: (517) 241-1382 > E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov > > Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you > discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. > > > > > > > >>>> "Rebecca Bizonet" 7/12/2007 10:30 AM >>> > On a serious note (well, sort of), one could make a case for tourist > traps such as the Mystery Spot being sites transmission of social > memory, a la Maurice Halbwachs, and perhaps Pierre Nora's "lieux de > memoire." In the Hunts' Guide to Michigan's Upper Peninsula (Don and > Mary Hunt, online at http://hunts-upguide.com, Mystery Spot section at > http://hunts-upguide.com/u_s__2_from_the_bridge_mystery_spot.html--by > the way, it's a great resource for U.P. travel planning, and the print > version is just plain fun to sit down with and read, too!), the > authors describe the current owner as "one of the kids whose dad never > would stop," at the Mystery Spot, despite his pleas. Apparently, this > fascination with the place continued into adulthood, remaining strong > enough for him to buy it. In fact, throughout the guide, the Hunts > describe numerous attractions, lodgings, and restaurants at which the > present owners were motivated to relocate and take on the running of > based on cherished memories of visits in childhood or young adulthood. > More broadly, visitors return to these sites, like the proverbial > swallows to Capistrano, bringing their children, who may continue the > cycle when they are grown, provided the memories of the place are > strong and positive enough. Of course, the physical and commercial > survival of the sites depends on more than just nostalgia, but that's > enough rumination on the topic for me for the time being. > > OK, one more thing, on the gullibility issue brought up by Matthew > Daley. Probably everyone already discussing this has been tacitly > acknowledging this, but I'll risk spoiling the fun by being all > blatant about it: Haven't visitor reactions to roadside attractions > and P.T. Barnum-type things always combined fairly unequal parts > wonder and willful suspension of disbelief/playful irony (depending on > various personal factors, especially age)? > > Rebecca > > > On 7/6/07, Robert Garrett wrote: >> You have some interesting thoughts there, Matt. >> >> Were people really more gullible 100 years ago? >> >> I don't know. Certainly, there were a plethora of snake oil > salesmen >> and just general run-of-the-mill con men in the 19th Century (Mark >> Twain's ADVENTURES OF HUCKLEBERRY FINN includes two characters named > the >> Duke and the King who sort of exemplify what was then a common > type.). >> Sometimes, though, I look at the spam in my inbox, then think about >> "miracle cures" advertised in 19th Century newspapers. It makes me >> wonder how much has really changed. >> >> >> >> >> Bob Garrett >> Archives of Michigan >> Telephone: (517) 241-1382 >> E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov >> >> Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you >> discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> "Matthew Daley" 7/6/2007 10:46 AM >>> >> Not to interrupt the stimulating line of discussion on the > proclivities >> of the two peninsulas (having lived in both), but the Mystery Spot > has >> prompted a small observation. We are certainly children of a > skeptical >> age, P.T. Barnum's thoughts on the amazingly high birth rate of > suckers >> would have little bearing on all of us. I always have an > interesting >> discussions with students on whether people of earlier generations > were >> either stupid or gullible. That and then linking with religion's >> demands on faith. Perhaps they liked finding out about the "humbug" > for >> themselves and didn't mind parting with a dollar. >> http://www.lostmuseum.cuny.edu/archives/museum.htm >> On a side note, an HBO series, Carnivale, was based on the whole >> premise that we all rejected faith after the 1945 Trinity test and >> embraced reason, or cynicism which seems to pass for reason today. > They >> do have the wonderful carnival sideshow trick of "Man-eating Chicken" > - >> which is exactly that, a man eating chicken. Sea Shell City should > do >> that, good to lure the suckers in, isn't that what tourism is all > about? >> Why else call them tourist traps? >> >> My apologies for not posting on the "workshop" thread. I'm going at >> the moment with "try it, critique it, and improve it", Amy and I > will >> keep you all updated. >> >> Cheers! >> Matthew L. Daley, Ph.D >> Assistant Professor of History >> Grand Valley State University >> Allendale, MI 49401-9403 >> Office: (616)331-8701 >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mdaley752/ >> >> Matthew L. Daley, Ph.D >> Assistant Professor of History >> Grand Valley State University >> Allendale, MI 49401-9403 >> Office: (616)331-8701 >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mdaley752/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Maa-l mailing list >> Maa-l at lists.dhal.org >> http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l >> _______________________________________________ >> Maa-l mailing list >> Maa-l at lists.dhal.org >> http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l >> > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l > _______________________________________________ > Maa-l mailing list > Maa-l at lists.dhal.org > http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l From GarrettR1 at michigan.gov Tue Jul 17 10:01:07 2007 From: GarrettR1 at michigan.gov (Robert Garrett) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:01:07 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Knowlege Base Message-ID: Mark Harvey has established an online "knowledge base" for the Archives of Michigan. It uses a blog format and contains the Archives' "reference notes." You can see this here: http://archivesofmichigan.wordpress.com/ (Note that this is still a work in progress, and some information still needs to be uploaded.) I'll explain those reference notes, a little. In the 1960's, archivist Geneva Wiskeman created reference notes on index cards. Leroy Barnett maintained and expanded these when he took over as reference archivist. The cards cited available information on certain subjects, such as capital punishment and the Underground Railroad. The cards are still often helpful. Putting the information online allows staff to perform keyword searches. Just out of curiousity, has anyone else done anything like this? What does everyone think of blogs in general? Can they be useful research and reference tools, or are they a waste of time? (Personally, I think that there's often good information in blogs, but researchers do sometimes have to be careful in evaluating it.) Again, here's the url of the Archives of Michigan knowledge base: http://archivesofmichigan.wordpress.com/ Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. From WojcikC at michigan.gov Tue Jul 17 13:29:39 2007 From: WojcikC at michigan.gov (Caryn Wojcik) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:29:39 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Maa-l Digest, Vol 13, Issue 10 (Out of Office) Message-ID: I will be out of the office July 17 - 23. I will respond to your message when I return on July 24. Have a good day. >>> maa-l 07/17/07 12:00 >>> Send Maa-l mailing list submissions to maa-l at lists.dhal.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to maa-l-request at lists.dhal.org You can reach the person managing the list at maa-l-owner at lists.dhal.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Maa-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Knowlege Base (Robert Garrett) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:01:07 -0400 From: "Robert Garrett" Subject: [Maa-l] Knowlege Base To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Mark Harvey has established an online "knowledge base" for the Archives of Michigan. It uses a blog format and contains the Archives' "reference notes." You can see this here: http://archivesofmichigan.wordpress.com/ (Note that this is still a work in progress, and some information still needs to be uploaded.) I'll explain those reference notes, a little. In the 1960's, archivist Geneva Wiskeman created reference notes on index cards. Leroy Barnett maintained and expanded these when he took over as reference archivist. The cards cited available information on certain subjects, such as capital punishment and the Underground Railroad. The cards are still often helpful. Putting the information online allows staff to perform keyword searches. Just out of curiousity, has anyone else done anything like this? What does everyone think of blogs in general? Can they be useful research and reference tools, or are they a waste of time? (Personally, I think that there's often good information in blogs, but researchers do sometimes have to be careful in evaluating it.) Again, here's the url of the Archives of Michigan knowledge base: http://archivesofmichigan.wordpress.com/ Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Maa-l mailing list Maa-l at lists.dhal.org http://lists.dhal.org/mailman/listinfo/maa-l End of Maa-l Digest, Vol 13, Issue 10 ************************************* From garrettr1 at michigan.gov Sun Jul 29 12:53:21 2007 From: garrettr1 at michigan.gov (Robert Garrett) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:53:21 -0400 Subject: [Maa-l] Adventures in St. Ignace Message-ID: I'm back from the Michigan Oral History Association's Mackinac Bridge project. I was among several MOHA volunteers who went to St. Ignace to interview people associated with the Bridge's construction. The others were MOHA President Geoff Reynolds, MOHA Secretary Geneva Wiskeman (a former archivist at the Archives of Michigan), Jacquie Sewell (a librarian at the Capital Area District Library), Jim Cameron (a Lansing area high school teacher), Doug Johnson (a Michigan Department of Information Technology retiree) and Bob Money (a professor at Lake Superior State University in Sault Ste. Marie). It was a productive few days. Interviewees included ferry boat sailors, iron workers, construction workers, surveyors and toll booth operators. We also interviewed Bill Cochran (the youngest and only surviving original member of the Mackinac Bridge Authority), several children of Prentice Brown and the grandson of Bridge Designer David Steinman. Personally, my favorite interview was with Peter Jacobsen, who was Steinman's grandson. Jacobsen lived with his grandparents as a child and remembered them quite well. He had some good stories - too many to relate here. Mr. Jacobsen also proved an interesting individual himself. He talked about fighting with Castro and Che Gueverra against the Batista regime and about going to school with Bob Dylan (He said that he "threw Dylan out of the dorm," because he "couldn't study with all his caterwauling!"). Mr. Jacobsen is currently a political science professor at Stanford University. When I told him that I was from Wisconsin, he told me that he greatly admired "Fighting Bob" La Follette, the U.S. Senator from Wisconsin who once ran as a Presidential candidate of Theodore Roosevelt's Bull Moose party. I reached into my suit case (I conducted the interview in my motel room) and pulled out my Fighting Bob La Follette t-shirt (Yes, I have one.). Mr. Jacobsen seemed impressed. Friday night, there was a formal banquet at the casino just north St. Ignace. MOHA was given two tickets, and somehow, it was decided that Geneva and I should go. That, too, was an interesting experience. Two former governors - William Milliken and James Blanchard - were in attendance, as well as many past and current members of the Bridge Authority. Geneva and I ended up at a table with Miss Michigan, 1957. This lady cut the ribbon during the official bridge opening. We tried to talk her into letting us interview her. She promised to stop by the MOHA trailer the next day, but alas, she didn't. After the banquet, we all gathered on a balcony outside of the room shared by Geneva and Jacquie. We had a good time for awhile, and most of us left at the midnight. After that, the manager apparently knocked on the door and told Geneva and Jacquie that everyone needed to keep it down. Apparently, we had gotten a little rowdy. (I guess Geneva shouldn't have driven that car into the swimming pool! : ) ) Saturday was our busiest day. We manned our trailer/sound booth (The DNR provided it for us) at Bridge View Park. For awhile, we had a line of people waiting to be interviewed. We got some good information, and I particularly enjoyed interviewing an iron worker who (in his words) "escaped death four times" while working on the bridge. He explained these in some detail. Sadly, his lifelong escapades as an iron worker had taken a toll on his health. (He suffered from arthritis, some very bad knees and consequences from a past blow to the head.) At the end of the day, we were all tired and sunburned. The project proved productive, though, and I was happy to be part of this historic occassion. Bob Garrett Archives of Michigan Telephone: (517) 241-1382 E-mail: garrettr1 at michigan.gov Plan a Pure Michigan vacation filled with Michigan history when you discover your connections at www.michiganhistory.org. From enordber at mtu.edu Mon Jul 30 16:49:18 2007 From: enordber at mtu.edu (Erik Nordberg) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Maa-l] Oral History Programming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3781.141.219.44.145.1185828558.squirrel@huskymail.mtu.edu> Hello All: First, thanks to the members of the MOHA for their work in collecting/preserving the stories of the Mackinac Bridge. As an aside, my father is quoted in the special issue of Michigan History Magazine about his work as a boy scout selling sandwiches to the hunters awaiting car ferries. But I do have a query I'm hoping some folks can help with. One of our local nonprofit heritage organizations is applying for a planning grant to develop exhibits/programming around existing oral history recordings. They are looking for a consultant/scholar/expert who might have some experience taking oral history recordings and developing public programming using them. This group has a physical facility for exhibits and/or public events, but are unsure of how they might build a program around existing recorded resources. I need to stress that are not looking for help in establishing an oral history program -- there are already quite a few collected and there are good local experts to assist with this ongoing activity. They need someone who has used oral history audio and visual recordings in public programming. At this point, the idea would be to write a planning grant to have this person visit, meet with the planning committee and brainstorm ideas for this kind of future programming. Out of the planning grant activities, they would hope to seek a larger grant to implement the project over a series of years. If you know of someone who might have the experience to provide such advice, drop me a line. Or if you yourself might have the right experiences, let me know. Thanks in advance, Erik -- Erik Nordberg, University Archivist MTU Archives and Copper Country Historical Collections Michigan Technological University 1400 Townsend Drive Houghton, MI 49931 Tel 906-487-2505 Fax 906-487-2357 enordber at mtu.edu http://www.lib.mtu.edu/mtuarchives =========================================